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The cases in Europe and USA are very high visability.

But how many West Africans are fleeing into other areas/countries ? Into other parts of Africa, and the Caribbean, South and Central America ?

Is a larger wave of break out infections occurring out of the camera's eye ?

Probably heaps of them.

Nothing has changed.

Ebola cases still double every month.

The Super Medical Groups say, "This would not be happening if you had given us more money."

The latest from Africa, cases are being sent home for care, and their caregiver being given rubber gloves.

There is no place to keep them, medical personal were the first to die, no one is setting up medical centers for tens of thousands.

Flu Season is coming, millions will have symptoms that are just like early Ebola.

Flu is also known for killing 40,000 in the US. the old, young, and sick.

8,000 confirmed cases, lab work done, no one knows how many dead and unconfirmed, with a 21 day development time, Ebola is a month ahead, another 10,000 exposed and developing.

Known American cases, their residences get the biohazard treatment, but thousands have tourist visas to come to America, stay in hotels, visit public attractions, before they develop symptoms. No one does biohazard level cleanup in hotels.

While it may be racist to block air travel from the Hot Zone, the Saudi's did just that. They also stopped the MERS epidemic by Royal Decree.

If I was in the Hot Zone, I would leave. It is late for containment. It could have worked.

Next comes Andromida Strain Protocol, shoot the survivors, use flamethrowers on the bodies.

With projections of over a million by the first of the year, carpet bombing with napalm is a treatment option.

After that, the Ripley Cure, nuke them from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

None of this will happen, because a few billion dead is a favored option.

Almost all of the projected population growth comes from the least developed countries, Africa, South America, Southeast Asia. These are also the places that could not stop an epidemic.

Healthy people can survive Ebola, with Gatoraid, Vitimine C, and Advil.

Those with AIDS, TB, Malaria, will die.

Suvivors become immune.

Nature has a way of dealing with weakened populations of all species.

I agree, this epidemic is still out of control in West Africa. And as long as it is, it will continue to show up elsewhere, perhaps even breaking out and forming a new epicenter.

If this line below, is what they are saying however, it is not very accurate. I think the lack of cooperation, superstitious beliefs, and sometimes outright violence of the local populations has as much to do with why it went out of control as any other reason. Other factors were lack of trained workers, lack of professionals on the spot, lack of supplies, and that it got into the cities.

The only way to deal with being scared is to laugh.
http://www.rockcitytimes.com/arkansas-h ... tten-deer/

Remember "The Andomeda Strain"?
'It's mutating ! !!'
"If its mutating, how will we contain it?"
'We can't, its going to get LOOSE ! !!'

Now those folks understood decon procedures, Too bad it was just a movie.

In our hour of need the most trusted groups are forming a Blue Ribbon Commission.

Congress who 7.6% of the people have trust in, will form a group inside and outside government, to include The Westboro Baptist Church, the Church of Rome who have just come out as homosexual cross dressers, and those running for President in 2016. Joe Biden will be Chairman.

They will bring all ideas to the table, as soon as the disagreements about the shape of the table are settled. That will perhaps be after the 2014 election, after the lame duck session, sometime next year, or after the 2016 election.

The Pennington Seed Company, makers of weapons grade Anthrax, are feeling left out, as they did not get the Ebola contract. Also, the GMO Companies have ideas for Propriatory strains of Ebola.

Government, Private Science, and Faith will come together with a plan of attack. Someone can be blamed for this.

John McCain said we should have bombed West Africa seven years ago, and stopped this before it started. It was only because someone in office was soft on Africa, a darko fellow traveler. Someone who thought "Bush Meat" sounded like a good idea.

Russia who weaponized Ebola at the same time America did, has three vaccines in ramped up production, and looks to take over the industry. America has enough for Congress, and the IRS. There is no way to pay all of those Government Pensions, much less Social Security, but there could be an answer.

Biological counter warfare is a great business, it sells for gold, cannot be tested, and if they live or die, they will not complain.

Over on halfchan Ebola-Chan has a cult following, while most have moved to twicechan, and built a major following. This is the Kali Yuga, there is only one way for it to end. It is not the usual from The Internet Hate Machine, Ebola-Chan is being welcomed in all countries, and to all people.

It is something they almost all agree on, only Ebola-Chan can save the planet. They leave messages wishing Good Luck, offer their Love, and build alters. In India, people go to the temple of Kali, and beg her to end this age.

I have some questions, AIDS was hard to identify because it died outside of a living body. Ebola-Chan makes the dead weapons, who have also risen from the dead, way too often. A virus should die with the body, Ebola-Chan does not. Buried does not work, they are burning them.

Apes, dogs, bats, pigs, weasles, and hairless ground apes get Ebola, what else, mice? Birds? Has anyone checked?

Ebola can be caught from surfaces, a virus should not survive outside of a host. Hazmat suits spraying down sidewalks in the news. In Texas, nothing survives a summer sidewalk in Texas.

If it can only be caught from body fluids, and is a virus, why wear a hazmat suit to wash down the sidewalk, days later ? The guy that died, threw up on the sidewalk, they had some Mexicans hose it down.

Two nurses in hazmat gear did catch it. Level Four, hazmat gear goes through a bleach shower, some UV, before it is removed. It is usual to have several layers of containment, decontamination, before just walking down the hall. Once removed the suit is treated as hot, and the person should shower. and catch a quick UV tan. Then they can walk down the hall naked. Its medical.

The rabbit coyote cycle seems an open vector in Texas. They also have lots of bats.

A few human cases, just use the flamethrower, but if it gets loose in nature, it is here forever. Dogs like vomit.

Some people should not be allowed to play with some things. Government, Medical, top my list.

Ebola-Chan only kills three or four out of five, which is better odds than the Bible.

In a democratic system, everyone has to go with the winner.

Good Luck Ebola-Chan, we Love You!

Doubt it'll mutate (hell, the only way it could get worst is if it started shedding itself way more during the incubation period, so the literal and unknown "walking dead" would be passing it on).

Though I'm sure it's way more contagious and serious than they're letting on. How many news articles do you read that say it's not airborne?

Uh, the 3 feet rule applies to Ebola just as much as it does to influenza regarding droplets.

Researchers are working on that since it is critical information.

http://news.discovery.com/animals/ebola ... 140730.htm




It is very common for viruses to survive outside a host for anywhere from hours to days, depending on conditions. Ebola is not unique in that respect. Different experiments have had different results.
http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/lab-bio/res/ ... la-eng.php



It's more stable than some viruses, less stable than other viruses, and its viability is dependent on temperature, moisture and the nature of the surface. Lots of variables. What no virus can do outside a host is reproduce, which shouldn't be confused with viability.


That's theater, meant to reassure the public that an area is safe to go back into. Unfortunately this bit of theater is at odds with the pronouncements on how hard it is to catch. This mixed message is driving the public crazy. The inconsistency is part of what drives fear.


Neither nurse had hazmat gear. Nor indeed did any doctors or nurses who cared for the patients in Dallas and Madrid.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... short.html
Here are the woefully inadequate CDC guidelines for protective gear.

http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/pdf/ppe-poster.pdf

I can't copy/paste because it's a PDF (how do you copy/paste from an online PDF ?) But it is not a hazmat suit (as seen in many photos accompanying news stories and adorning people spraying the sidewalk). It is merely gloves, goggles, a gown and a shield (or respirator if doing aerosol generating procedures). If you read the story I linked about the Spanish nurse, it quotes a doctor saying that the gown he was given had sleeves too short, leaving skin exposed. Between that and the terrifyingly numerous points of potential contact while removing the gear, it was inevitable that they caught it. This should be a bit more reassuring to the general public in that the only people getting it seem to be healthcare workers (Duncan was doing what is generally done by EMTs when he got it, so I'm counting him even though he wasn't actually an EMT). That is cold comfort for healthcare workers, many of whom are now staging protests. The governments of all involved countries seem to be counting healthcare workers as acceptable casualties- which is unacceptable.
Coverage of healthcare workers protesting:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-y ... isolation/

http://article.wn.com/view/2014/10/13/L ... ed_Strike/


http://www.sott.net/article/286281-1000 ... -not-ready




Decontamination. How very nice. The CDC BSL4 labs do it for their own researchers (not the naked part). You see pictures of it in news stories. Are the actual healthcare workers in Dallas, Madrid and other unready city hospitals actually getting that? No. No they are not. You don't have to worry about Ebola somehow surviving rigorous decontamination. But please join me in outrage that rigorous decontamination (or hazmat gear) is not considered necessary for the people who get showered in bodily fluids while wearing ill-fitting surgical gowns.

I think all Ebola cases in the U.S. should be handled by no more than a handful of specially-equipped hospitals with well-trained staff wearing hazmat suits. We should have ambulances and planes reserved for the purpose of bringing people to these places. Would that not be cheaper and more effective than expecting every hospital in America to be able to handle this disease?
Also, I heard that Duncan was treated by SEVENTY different people while at the hospital. Why didn't they limit the number of people coming into contact with him? Surely he could have been treated by far fewer people!

Absolutely! The CDC's initial statement was "any hospital that has the capacity for isolation can treat patients with ebola". Obviously this is not true. There's a reason why the first health care worker case was at Texas Presbytarian and not Emory. Simply having an isolation room and buying a bunch of face shields is NOT ENOUGH! The cost and risks of transport are dwarfed by the cost and risks of every large urban hospital trying to cobble together an emergency plan on the fly and hope for the best. In the wake of the Dallas nurse, the CDC is under fire for trying to encourage all hospitals with isolation rooms to consider themselves ready for ebola treatment.


I suppose they just didn't think of it. It is the norm for hospitalized patients to be cared for by whoever is on the shift at that time rather than a small, specialized team. Somebody who is in the hospital for over a week will be seen by 3 different shifts of doctors and nurses (day, evening, night) as well as a different shift set on weekends. Then there are the phlebotomists and therapists of all sorts (depending on your condition) plus radiologists, food service etc.

That's all fine if you have cancer or were injured in an accident. For that matter, it's fine with an infectious disease such as HIV. It stops being fine the instant you are caring for somebody with ebola. But ordinary hospital practice just didn't shift gears enough. They went about doing things the way they always did them but in the isolation room and with face shields. That was a terrible idea. It was also inevitable,

Here are the CDC guidelines for hospitals:

http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/hcp/infect ... tions.html

These guidelines are dated October 6 and say nothing about limiting the number of care providers as much as possible. A hospital administrator reading these guidelines (as I assume they did) would see no reason to assemble a small team and limit care to just those people. For one thing, it would involve all sorts of overtime pay. For another thing, it would prevent them from working with any other patients because they would need to be on standby with that one patient. So very expensive. So they didn't. And the CDC never told them they had to.

The guidelines are dated October 6. Hopefully, they will change them to reflect the necessity of fewer people. Hopefully they will also change them to reflect the need for a coverall hazmat suit rather than 7 (count them!) pieces of gear that need to each be flawlessly removed on penalty of death.

The best case scenario is they realize that not every hospital with an isolation room is ready for this and change to centralization.

I am not going to say that there is absolutely no chance that you will end up with ebola, but let me try to put it a little more into perspective:

number of cases of ebola (est.):
10,000
population of Africa:
1,111,000,000

Which means that months and months of ebola spread has resulted in <0.0009% of the population of Africa becoming infected. This low percentage even in the middle of poor avail;ability of facilities and sterile supplies, shortages of health care workers, lack of education about the disease, improper body handling and burial, a custom of touching the body of the deceased (particularly the face), and poor sanitary living conditions in many areas.

The chances of a widespread outbreak in the US is minimal.

The best thing we could do is contain and control the pandemic at the source. But I guess all we'll really do is provide significantly less cash, supplies, and manpower than is needed while convincing ourselves that experts in epidemiology and infectious disease don't know what they are talking about.

The experts in epidemiology and infectious disease know very much what they are talking about. And many of them are horrified by the pronouncements of the CDC director. His directives are political as much as they are epidemiological.


update: the CDC is revising its guidelines.
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/metro/20 ... pitals.ece


I suppose the upside of political directives is that they can change quickly when the tide turns.

This is the same CDC that recently sent live Anthrax to two labs by mistake and found some undocumented Smallpox and other lovelies lying around forgotten in another lab.

They are currently admitting they pretty much screwed this Ebola event up and are making new plans and procedures, and something like a Ebola response team. Wait for the brilliant pronouncement 'Um... well what do you know, it is airborne transmittable! Golly Gee!'

OK. Me and lots of others, including those on the scene have been saying since at least May-June what is wrong with you guys, watching events deteriorate in West Africa, sitting on your asses spewing pronouncements of 'Zero Chance in the USA, This isn't the Big One, Its hard to catch,' and such BS. I was amazed, considering where and the circumstances this outbreak was occurring in that our CDC wasn't jumping thru hoops in response, because it WAS F****** EBOLA!

Well yeah, but you know, people like some good news and panic; it keeps our mundane lives a little bit more exciting.