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24 Jun 2015, 2:56 am

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Give it up guys. You can have as many concealed weapons as you want, if someone comes at you when you're not expecting it, you're toast.


And if you get broadsided by a semi you're "toast", too, so let's all stop wearing our seatbelts.


I think his point just flew right by you. That being that the concealed weapon, just gives you a false sense of security.

But I am going to steal your argument and use it the next time some gun nut tells me, that we shouldn't have any gun regulations because the criminals will still get them anyway.

This from the person who on page 1 of this thread said "NRA terrorists strike again".
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I stand by that statement.

An NRA board member blamed the pastor killed in Charleston for the deaths of his members


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24 Jun 2015, 3:10 am

0regonGuy wrote:
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Give it up guys. You can have as many concealed weapons as you want, if someone comes at you when you're not expecting it, you're toast.


And if you get broadsided by a semi you're "toast", too, so let's all stop wearing our seatbelts.


I think his point just flew right by you. That being that the concealed weapon, just gives you a false sense of security.

But I am going to steal your argument and use it the next time some gun nut tells me, that we shouldn't have any gun regulations because the criminals will still get them anyway.

This from the person who on page 1 of this thread said "NRA terrorists strike again".
:roll: :roll:


I stand by that statement.

An NRA board member blamed the pastor killed in Charleston for the deaths of his members


Whether you're for gun rights or not, that's just disgusting. If the NRA is smart, then they should distance themselves from such remarks.


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24 Jun 2015, 3:33 am

0regonGuy wrote:
Raptor wrote:
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Raptor wrote:
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Give it up guys. You can have as many concealed weapons as you want, if someone comes at you when you're not expecting it, you're toast.


And if you get broadsided by a semi you're "toast", too, so let's all stop wearing our seatbelts.


I think his point just flew right by you. That being that the concealed weapon, just gives you a false sense of security.

But I am going to steal your argument and use it the next time some gun nut tells me, that we shouldn't have any gun regulations because the criminals will still get them anyway.

This from the person who on page 1 of this thread said "NRA terrorists strike again".
:roll: :roll:


I stand by that statement.

An NRA board member blamed the pastor killed in Charleston for the deaths of his members

:roll:
From the one who took this cheap shot
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NRA terrorists strike again.
on page 1 of this thread. Still trying to stir the pot, eh?

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And he voted against concealed-carry. Eight of his church members who might be alive if he had expressly allowed members to carry handguns in church are dead. Innocent people died because of his position on a political issue.

He was a democrat so, yeah, he probably voted against concealed carry in the state, albeit to no avail since it passed anyway.
Unless there was a sign on each door of the church expressly forbidding carrying a piece in church then it was allowed.

In a nutshell, legislators who vote against means of their constituents to legally protect themselves do get a share of the guilt if a constituent gets murdered in a scenario where they could have prevented it. In this case, though, concealed carry passed despite Clementa Pinckney’s efforts so it’s a non-issue for all practical purposes.


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24 Jun 2015, 3:40 am

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Another way of sayng "I can't find where you said gunz are a fix-all but I can't bring myself to admit I was wrong".

I don't know if I'm right or wrong and I'm not that concerned about it.

You're the one that brought it up so don't run to momma now.

Grow up.

You're saying now that you didn't bring it up?

Is this embarrassing exchange regarding whether or not you claimed that concealed weapons always prevent tragedies, cause I'll take your word that you didn't.

Embarrassing for YOU maybe but you started it.
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Nothing is absolute, danger cannot be eliminated all the time.
Then you reiterate it again here. Talk about not being grown up.

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I think removal of the confederate flag would be helpful.
Wanna ban the stars-n- bars, eh?
Figures..... :roll:


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24 Jun 2015, 6:46 am

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[Embarrassing for YOU maybe but you started it.

Your inability to depersonalize makes it impossible to have a discussion with you.
I don't have any desire to argue about what you may or may not have said. It's too bad that you are more interested in yourself than the issue at hand.



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25 Jun 2015, 4:40 am

Raptor wrote:
0regonGuy wrote:
Raptor wrote:
0regonGuy wrote:
Raptor wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
Give it up guys. You can have as many concealed weapons as you want, if someone comes at you when you're not expecting it, you're toast.


And if you get broadsided by a semi you're "toast", too, so let's all stop wearing our seatbelts.


I think his point just flew right by you. That being that the concealed weapon, just gives you a false sense of security.

But I am going to steal your argument and use it the next time some gun nut tells me, that we shouldn't have any gun regulations because the criminals will still get them anyway.

This from the person who on page 1 of this thread said "NRA terrorists strike again".
:roll: :roll:


I stand by that statement.

An NRA board member blamed the pastor killed in Charleston for the deaths of his members

:roll:
From the one who took this cheap shot
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I didn't take the shot. The NRA took the shot at themselves. The NRA is for one thing. The right of the gun industry to make money selling guns to crazy people and criminal thugs. Thats why they don't want any regulations. Because regulations would eliminate their best customers, the crazy people and criminal thugs.

I posted that original comment because I knew exactly how they would respond to this tragedy. They responded the same way they always do. By blaming the victims of gun violence, for their own deaths. The gun culture in this country is disgusting.


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25 Jun 2015, 5:56 am

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I posted that original comment because I knew exactly how they would respond to this tragedy. They responded the same way they always do. By blaming the victims of gun violence, for their own deaths. The gun culture in this country is disgusting.


People wondering why young people use guns to settle disputes or settle scores are perhaps asking the wrong question. The question is why are young people able to access guns when their young brains are barely able to control their reckless impulses.



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25 Jun 2015, 7:46 am

"I didn't take the shot. The NRA took the shot at themselves. The NRA is for one thing. The right of the gun industry to make money selling guns to crazy people and criminal thugs. Thats why they don't want any regulations. Because regulations would eliminate their best customers, the crazy people and criminal thugs.

I posted that original comment because I knew exactly how they would respond to this tragedy. They responded the same way they always do. By blaming the victims of gun violence, for their own deaths. The gun culture in this country is disgusting." --OregonGuy

"People wondering why young people use guns to settle disputes or settle scores are perhaps asking the wrong question. The question is why are young people able to access guns when their young brains are barely able to control their reckless impulses." --CyberDad

I think you're both right. The love of guns in this culture is deeply embedded in some, and the need/perceived need for them is deeply embedded in others (and then you've got folks who both cherish their guns and depend on them to either protect them, make them feel protected, and make a buck). There are many legally obtained/owned and responsibly used guns within our borders, as well as untold numbers of them gained illegally. It's a mess. For years, I've been hoping we could bring some order to the chaos, but it won't be easy. There's so little sense in the minds of the extremists--including paranoia about others wanting to take all their guns away--and so much frustration and despair in the minds of those who'd like to genuinely decrease gun and other violence in this country that we, much like our congress, can't make much progress. The rough-n-tumble spirit that helped Anglo/Europeans expand the US's borders and build the economy and military might is about as easy to let go of as the criminal habits that plague our cities. They may have different sources and intentions, but the long-term effects are the same.

*sigh*



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25 Jun 2015, 11:11 am

0regonGuy wrote:
Raptor wrote:
0regonGuy wrote:
Raptor wrote:
0regonGuy wrote:
Raptor wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
Give it up guys. You can have as many concealed weapons as you want, if someone comes at you when you're not expecting it, you're toast.


And if you get broadsided by a semi you're "toast", too, so let's all stop wearing our seatbelts.


I think his point just flew right by you. That being that the concealed weapon, just gives you a false sense of security.

But I am going to steal your argument and use it the next time some gun nut tells me, that we shouldn't have any gun regulations because the criminals will still get them anyway.

This from the person who on page 1 of this thread said "NRA terrorists strike again".
:roll: :roll:


I stand by that statement.

An NRA board member blamed the pastor killed in Charleston for the deaths of his members

:roll:
From the one who took this cheap shot
0regonGuy wrote:


I didn't take the shot. The NRA took the shot at themselves. The NRA is for one thing. The right of the gun industry to make money selling guns to crazy people and criminal thugs. Thats why they don't want any regulations. Because regulations would eliminate their best customers, the crazy people and criminal thugs.

I posted that original comment because I knew exactly how they would respond to this tragedy. They responded the same way they always do. By blaming the victims of gun violence, for their own deaths. The gun culture in this country is disgusting.

AWESOME! You're putting this crazy person and thug (me :P ) in a mood to buy another gun to add to my vast arsenal!

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Sorry, but I've grown weary of making intelligent factual replies to people like you who never make the effort to do the same. Call it what you want but the public isn't buying this imaginary need for gun control.


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25 Jun 2015, 11:18 am

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I posted that original comment because I knew exactly how they would respond to this tragedy. They responded the same way they always do. By blaming the victims of gun violence, for their own deaths. The gun culture in this country is disgusting.


People wondering why young people use guns to settle disputes or settle scores are perhaps asking the wrong question. The question is why are young people able to access guns when their young brains are barely able to control their reckless impulses.

Yeah, just sell them to dogs instead.
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...Call it what you want but the public isn't buying this imaginary need for gun control.

Yep. Firearm sales alone confirm that fact.

Firearms for self-defense are the new black. It's edgy and sensible.


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25 Jun 2015, 12:04 pm

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...Call it what you want but the public isn't buying this imaginary need for gun control.

Yep. Firearm sales alone confirm that fact.

Firearms for self-defense are the new black. It's edgy and sensible.

The anti-gun movement has done a spectacular job of boosting gun sales and ownership. Gotta love how they give NRA credit for thier own handiwork.


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25 Jun 2015, 3:22 pm

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Sorry, but I've grown weary of making intelligent factual replies to people like you who never make the effort to do the same. Call it what you want but the public isn't buying this imaginary need for gun control.
well, you're clearly not making an intelligent reply now, it's just white noise as usual. "imaginary need" indeed :roll:



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25 Jun 2015, 3:27 pm

Raptor wrote:
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...Call it what you want but the public isn't buying this imaginary need for gun control.

Yep. Firearm sales alone confirm that fact.

Firearms for self-defense are the new black. It's edgy and sensible.

The anti-gun movement has done a spectacular job of boosting gun sales and ownership. Gotta love how they give NRA credit for thier own handiwork.

actually the NRA has more of a vested interest in keeping gun sales high more than the anti-gun movement does.
http://www.businessinsider.com/gun-industry-funds-nra-2013-1 wrote:
In its early days, the National Rifle Association was a grassroots social club that prided itself on independence from corporate influence.

While that is still part of the organization's core function, today less than half of the NRA's revenues come from program fees and membership dues.

The bulk of the group's money now comes in the form of contributions, grants, royalty income, and advertising, much of it originating from gun industry sources.

Since 2005, the gun industry and its corporate allies have given between $20 million and $52.6 million to it through the NRA Ring of Freedom sponsor program. Donors include firearm companies like Midway USA, Springfield Armory Inc, Pierce Bullet Seal Target Systems, and Beretta USA Corporation. Other supporters from the gun industry include Cabala's, Sturm Rugar & Co, and Smith & Wesson.

The NRA also made $20.9 million — about 10 percent of its revenue — from selling advertising to industry companies marketing products in its many publications in 2010, according to the IRS Form 990.

Additionally, some companies donate portions of sales directly to the NRA. Crimson Trace, which makes laser sights, donates 10 percent of each sale to the NRA. Taurus buys an NRA membership for everyone who buys one of their guns. Sturm Rugar gives $1 to the NRA for each gun sold, which amounts to millions. The NRA's revenues are intrinsically linked to the success of the gun business.



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25 Jun 2015, 6:27 pm

Fugu wrote:
Raptor wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
Raptor wrote:
...Call it what you want but the public isn't buying this imaginary need for gun control.

Yep. Firearm sales alone confirm that fact.

Firearms for self-defense are the new black. It's edgy and sensible.

The anti-gun movement has done a spectacular job of boosting gun sales and ownership. Gotta love how they give NRA credit for thier own handiwork.

actually the NRA has more of a vested interest in keeping gun sales high more than the anti-gun movement does.
http://www.businessinsider.com/gun-industry-funds-nra-2013-1 wrote:
In its early days, the National Rifle Association was a grassroots social club that prided itself on independence from corporate influence.

While that is still part of the organization's core function, today less than half of the NRA's revenues come from program fees and membership dues.

The bulk of the group's money now comes in the form of contributions, grants, royalty income, and advertising, much of it originating from gun industry sources.

Since 2005, the gun industry and its corporate allies have given between $20 million and $52.6 million to it through the NRA Ring of Freedom sponsor program. Donors include firearm companies like Midway USA, Springfield Armory Inc, Pierce Bullet Seal Target Systems, and Beretta USA Corporation. Other supporters from the gun industry include Cabala's, Sturm Rugar & Co, and Smith & Wesson.

The NRA also made $20.9 million — about 10 percent of its revenue — from selling advertising to industry companies marketing products in its many publications in 2010, according to the IRS Form 990.

Additionally, some companies donate portions of sales directly to the NRA. Crimson Trace, which makes laser sights, donates 10 percent of each sale to the NRA. Taurus buys an NRA membership for everyone who buys one of their guns. Sturm Rugar gives $1 to the NRA for each gun sold, which amounts to millions. The NRA's revenues are intrinsically linked to the success of the gun business.

I won't even bother to look up the NRA's revenue stats. It would certainly not be unreasonable for gun and gun related manufacturers to contribute generously to the NRA.
They are in business to make money, not to make hand wringers feel good.

The anti-gunners and their politicians DO unwittingly stimulate the hell out of gun sales with their "we've got to do something about these guns!! !" bleating in the wake of every noteworthy incident.

Tell folks they may no longer be able to get something and all the sudden they want a few. You couldn't find an AR-15 in a gun shop for months after Sandy Hook.


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25 Jun 2015, 6:32 pm

Raptor wrote:
Fugu wrote:
Raptor wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
Raptor wrote:
...Call it what you want but the public isn't buying this imaginary need for gun control.

Yep. Firearm sales alone confirm that fact.

Firearms for self-defense are the new black. It's edgy and sensible.

The anti-gun movement has done a spectacular job of boosting gun sales and ownership. Gotta love how they give NRA credit for thier own handiwork.

actually the NRA has more of a vested interest in keeping gun sales high more than the anti-gun movement does.
http://www.businessinsider.com/gun-industry-funds-nra-2013-1 wrote:
In its early days, the National Rifle Association was a grassroots social club that prided itself on independence from corporate influence.

While that is still part of the organization's core function, today less than half of the NRA's revenues come from program fees and membership dues.

The bulk of the group's money now comes in the form of contributions, grants, royalty income, and advertising, much of it originating from gun industry sources.

Since 2005, the gun industry and its corporate allies have given between $20 million and $52.6 million to it through the NRA Ring of Freedom sponsor program. Donors include firearm companies like Midway USA, Springfield Armory Inc, Pierce Bullet Seal Target Systems, and Beretta USA Corporation. Other supporters from the gun industry include Cabala's, Sturm Rugar & Co, and Smith & Wesson.

The NRA also made $20.9 million — about 10 percent of its revenue — from selling advertising to industry companies marketing products in its many publications in 2010, according to the IRS Form 990.

Additionally, some companies donate portions of sales directly to the NRA. Crimson Trace, which makes laser sights, donates 10 percent of each sale to the NRA. Taurus buys an NRA membership for everyone who buys one of their guns. Sturm Rugar gives $1 to the NRA for each gun sold, which amounts to millions. The NRA's revenues are intrinsically linked to the success of the gun business.

I won't even bother to look up the NRA's revenue stats. It would certainly not be unreasonable for gun and gun related manufacturers to contribute generously to the NRA.
They are in business to make money, not to make hand wringers feel good.
they're not a business though, they're a political organization.
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The anti-gunners and their politicians DO unwittingly stimulate the hell out of gun sales with their "we've got to do something about these guns!! !" bleating in the wake of every noteworthy incident.

Tell folks they may no longer be able to get something and all the sudden they want a few. You couldn't find an AR-15 in a gun shop for months after Sandy Hook.
Why should they be consulted on policy if they're only in business to make money then? It's a pretty obvious conflict of interest, especially since they receive direct subsidies from weapons/weapon parts manufacturers in addition to membership dues and %s of sales.