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16 Dec 2016, 10:40 am

It's possible that Obama "saved" this until the "bitter end."

If the hacking allegations turn out to be false, Obama would really look like a total fool.



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16 Dec 2016, 10:45 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
It's possible that Obama "saved" this until the "bitter end."

If the hacking allegations turn out to be false, Obama would really look like a total fool.


I think he'd be more than willing to make that sacrifice.



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16 Dec 2016, 10:45 am

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Yes, you're right, that's a ridiculous statement. And what are you doing here, age discrimination?

You are entitled to express your opinion, but my point is that the CIA does not disclose evidence. It is a secret agency.


Which of course is only your opinion, rather than an actual fact. You know like those fact thingies I pointed out. And the CIA is not a secret agency. Everybody knows who they are. Now they do perform secret operations, and when those operations are completed, they present solid evidence of their findings. That's how the system normally works. Really.

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Of course not only by be. US law states: Innocent until Proven Guilty. Until a crime has been proven beyond ant reasonable doubt, said crimes are only alleged crimes and suspected perpetrators are only alleged perpetrators.


That's criminal law, it does not apply to foreign states.


Since when does US jurisprudence not apply to a crime committed against citizens of the United States?

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Rumor, speculation, inuindo and sensationalism. I knows big words for a little kid huh?


Three out of four, innuendo is a toughie.


Okay I walked into that one. :P

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I'm hoping Cheney and Trump go on a hunting trip.
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Oh gee, why is that? Please specify exactly what you're trying to say.
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That Pence isn't looking so bad after all.

Us autistic folks aren't always so good with hints and drifts. So what are you saying exactly?


Cheney accidently shot a private citizen friend in the face during a hunt in Texas back in the W years.

So....If Ted Kennedy were alive today Kennedy could be Trump's chauffeur, while Cheney could be Trump's hunting guide (double the odds, and make it a bipartisan thing. lol!)!



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16 Dec 2016, 10:52 am

naturalplastic wrote:
EzraS wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
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Yes, you're right, that's a ridiculous statement. And what are you doing here, age discrimination?

You are entitled to express your opinion, but my point is that the CIA does not disclose evidence. It is a secret agency.


Which of course is only your opinion, rather than an actual fact. You know like those fact thingies I pointed out. And the CIA is not a secret agency. Everybody knows who they are. Now they do perform secret operations, and when those operations are completed, they present solid evidence of their findings. That's how the system normally works. Really.

androbot01 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Of course not only by be. US law states: Innocent until Proven Guilty. Until a crime has been proven beyond ant reasonable doubt, said crimes are only alleged crimes and suspected perpetrators are only alleged perpetrators.


That's criminal law, it does not apply to foreign states.


Since when does US jurisprudence not apply to a crime committed against citizens of the United States?

androbot01 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Rumor, speculation, inuindo and sensationalism. I knows big words for a little kid huh?


Three out of four, innuendo is a toughie.


Okay I walked into that one. :P

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I'm hoping Cheney and Trump go on a hunting trip.
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Oh gee, why is that? Please specify exactly what you're trying to say.
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That Pence isn't looking so bad after all.

Us autistic folks aren't always so good with hints and drifts. So what are you saying exactly?


Cheney accidently shot a private citizen friend in the face during a hunt in Texas back in the W years.

So....If Ted Kennedy were alive today Kennedy could be Trump's chauffeur, while Cheney could be Trump's hunting guide (double the odds, and make it a bipartisan thing. lol!)!


Oh I get it. Offensive extremely poor taste remarks. That's cool. I know severe butthurt causes that kinda behavior.



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16 Dec 2016, 11:00 am

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It's possible that Obama "saved" this until the "bitter end."

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Utter nonsense.

If Obama had announced it prior to the election the obvious would have happened: Obama would be accused of "trying to influence the election".

So obviously he had no choice but to wait until after the election for the chips to fall where they may (regardless of who won) to announce that there is evidence of foreign help for one candidate.



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16 Dec 2016, 11:21 am

naturalplastic wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
It's possible that Obama "saved" this until the "bitter end."

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Utter nonsense.

If Obama had announced it prior to the election the obvious would have happened: Obama would be accused of "trying to influence the election".

So obviously he had no choice but to wait until after the election for the chips to fall where they may (regardless of who won) to announce that there is evidence of foreign help for one candidate.


This political reason has been confirmed
Why Didn't Obama Do More About Russian Election Hack? - NBC News


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16 Dec 2016, 12:39 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
It's possible that Obama "saved" this until the "bitter end."

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Utter nonsense.

If Obama had announced it prior to the election the obvious would have happened: Obama would be accused of "trying to influence the election".

So obviously he had no choice but to wait until after the election for the chips to fall where they may (regardless of who won) to announce that there is evidence of foreign help for one candidate.


That's pretty funny....( in the next post) that part about: "On Oct. 7, the Department of Homeland Security and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence issued an unprecedented joint statement pointing the finger at Russia"...

Do you know what happened to Obama's first Director of Homeland Security, Janet Napolitano? I'll tell you: The National Democratic Party in conjunction with the California University system gave her the plum of becoming the President of the California University system...now there's a political plum for an totally undeserving person, but there's
a reason and that's to make great deals for education for their favored friends in politics overseas...the California University system is being overrun by foreign students (some who can't pass an entrance exam or demonstrate they're qualified), while we find there's little room for U.S. citizens...it's a give-a-way...check it out for yourself.

"The UC system seems to be maintaining the promise of President Janet Napolitano that the numbers of students from other states and countries would not increase further at UC Berkeley and UCLA. The rapid rise in recent years in those students at the two highly selective campuses — to about 30% of the freshmen class — triggered much controversy among legislators and families"...30%...can you believe it? And the b***h doesn't say they won't do the same thing with any of the other prestigious schools here either.

So to have these departments, under dictator control, lie for Obama and the War Machine is perfectly believable...to NOT think they would do this is quite naive.

AND: Obama would be accused of "trying to influence the election". This selfish pig did everything he could to sway the election..who can disbelieve this? He called Trump every thing he could to do so.



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16 Dec 2016, 12:57 pm

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So one of the only pure things was when you fought each other? Lol. It'd be nice if that was all true about WWII. Things aren't as simple as that.
Are you serious? Obama has done bombed innocent civilians across the world, supported numerous massacres and wars as well as funding organ eating head chopping child rapists because his masters are against any Arab nationalists. Obama should be locked up with Bush and the rest of them.


And those Arab nationalists haven't done bad things ever?


The US doesn't attack countries because the leaders are bad people. It supports Saudi Arabia and Israel, the worst two countries in the region.


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16 Dec 2016, 1:00 pm

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"They need to either stop talking about this or finally present some sort of proof," Russian President Vladimir Putin's spokesman said.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38341569

Wait, there's still no actual proof?


The CIA and the FBI agree that the Russians were the ones who hacked, they disagree about Putin's motives. I find it odd that all of a sudden because Trump says so, the CIA is no longer trustworthy. Putin is just trying trying to play up the discord. Destroy from within - a weak America is what Russia wants.


They just don't have any evidence. Do you always believe everything you're told with zero evidence to back it up?


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16 Dec 2016, 1:05 pm

androbot01 wrote:
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androbot01 wrote:
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"They need to either stop talking about this or finally present some sort of proof," Russian President Vladimir Putin's spokesman said.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38341569

Wait, there's still no actual proof?


The CIA and the FBI agree that the Russians were the ones who hacked, they disagree about Putin's motives. I find it odd that all of a sudden because Trump says so, the CIA is no longer trustworthy. Putin is just trying trying to play up the discord. Destroy from within - a weak America is what Russia wants.


Agreeing isn't proof.

Didn't those same agencies agree that Saddam Hussein had Weapons of Mass Destruction to nuke America?

I want hard cold proof. Names, places, dates, data. I want to see the perpetrator on a Wanted poster. You know, the standard procedures when it's been proven a crime has been committed. What's the deal here? Are they holding up until after the 19th when the Electoral College submits their votes?


Yes, the CIA should disclose it's information to every 16 year old who demands it. That's ridiculous. If such a demand is being made, and it is, not only by you, than it doesn't really matter what the proof is, Russia has already won because Americans have lost faith in their own government. Divide and conquer. I guess we have the Bush/Cheney administration to blame for this.

I'm hoping Cheney and Trump go on a hunting trip.


Why would they do that? There isn't any. They've proved time and again they lie through their teeth and are just working for the military industrial complex. Some people never seem to learn from this endless string of lies. You're just making desperate guesses that Russia are doing all this and blaming Bush and Cheney. You don't think the public might have lost faith after they voted for Obama who was presented by the media as some kind second coming and then just continued and expanded wars while starting new ones and funded ISIS?


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16 Dec 2016, 1:06 pm

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So to have these departments, under dictator control, lie for Obama and the War Machine is perfectly believable...to NOT think they would do this is quite naive.

AND: Obama would be accused of "trying to influence the election". This selfish pig did everything he could to sway the election..who can disbelieve this? He called Trump every thing he could to do so.


Rhetoric:
-language designed to have a persuasive or impressive effect on its audience, but often regarded as lacking in sincerity or meaningful content.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with an incumbent campaigning for their parties next nominee. I guess it makes him and Trump even for all the indisputable birther comments Trump made about Obama

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/09/16/donald_trump_s_birther_tweets_in_order.html



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16 Dec 2016, 1:08 pm

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It's possible that Obama "saved" this until the "bitter end."

If the hacking allegations turn out to be false, Obama would really look like a total fool.


What's new?


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16 Dec 2016, 1:10 pm

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kraftiekortie wrote:
It's possible that Obama "saved" this until the "bitter end."

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Utter nonsense.

If Obama had announced it prior to the election the obvious would have happened: Obama would be accused of "trying to influence the election".

So obviously he had no choice but to wait until after the election for the chips to fall where they may (regardless of who won) to announce that there is evidence of foreign help for one candidate.


Like anything would have been said if Hillary would have won. The hacking that happened Hillary would have just been ignored by the media like it has now. They are just trying to discredit Trump's victory.


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naturalplastic wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
It's possible that Obama "saved" this until the "bitter end."

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Utter nonsense.

If Obama had announced it prior to the election the obvious would have happened: Obama would be accused of "trying to influence the election".

So obviously he had no choice but to wait until after the election for the chips to fall where they may (regardless of who won) to announce that there is evidence of foreign help for one candidate.


This political reason has been confirmed
Why Didn't Obama Do More About Russian Election Hack? - NBC News


What can he do about something that hasn't happened?


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Feyokien wrote:
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So to have these departments, under dictator control, lie for Obama and the War Machine is perfectly believable...to NOT think they would do this is quite naive.

AND: Obama would be accused of "trying to influence the election". This selfish pig did everything he could to sway the election..who can disbelieve this? He called Trump every thing he could to do so.


Rhetoric:
-language designed to have a persuasive or impressive effect on its audience, but often regarded as lacking in sincerity or meaningful content.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with an incumbent campaigning for their parties next nominee. I guess it makes him and Trump even for all the indisputable birther comments Trump made about Obama

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/09/16/donald_trump_s_birther_tweets_in_order.html


Sorry for my clumsiness. That comment about Obama's bad mouthing Trump was only meant to offhandedly cast cold water on the following thought by naturalplastic: He said:

"Utter nonsense.

If Obama had announced it prior to the election the obvious would have happened: Obama would be accused of "trying to influence the election".

So obviously he had no choice but to wait until after the election for the chips to fall where they may (regardless of who won) to announce that there is evidence of foreign help for one candidate."

It was never my suggestion Obama, or anyone else, should be prevented from speaking their mind, merely reminding he had already done so in a very vitriolic manner, which bellies any thought that he held off informing the public so as not to skew the election. OK?



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16 Dec 2016, 5:49 pm

The idea that Russia is behind Podesta stupidly falling for a basic phishing scam and having a password as obvious "p@ssword" is laughable. They have no idea who could have accessed this information and it's likely multiple entities.