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13 Nov 2019, 5:30 pm

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Harassment and threats often go together.


Which is in no way proof of her actually being threatened. People shouldn't be accused of doing something they didn't based on the possibility or even probability that they might do it.

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It's ridiculous that a woman can't take her shirt off on her private property, and it looks like the authorities ended up doing the right thing.


She can, the law was on her side and she got reparations for the mistake made by the police.

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And to the false equivalence you put out, masturbating in full view of someone where you are meant to be seen and where it is directed toward that person, is very different from a woman who got a bit overheated and without really thinking about it took off her shirt. Context and intent matter here.


Neither Ezra or I said it was the same thing. I was the one going on a tangent since I was curious about how the law (in different places) sees these things.

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And yes, it's a double standard that men can go around topless, but women can't.


Agreed. Where I live they both can.


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13 Nov 2019, 5:35 pm

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My next question would be about loud sex in an apartament buiding. There are more senses than sight after all.


Here it would be an issue only if it's late at night or generally within the hours loud noises are not allowed. Most people would just knock on your door and ask you to be quiet instead of calling the police.

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I go to my balcony in my underwear whenever I want to.
Different country or just... shrug?


Same here. As I mentioned before you can go naked on the balcony and it's not an issue. Maybe if you were on the ground floor or something, I'm not sure.


There's a certain amount of grey area to be sure.



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13 Nov 2019, 5:43 pm

I think also this is another generational 20th century throwback thing.

I imagine within my generation certainly well by the middle of this century, women going topless will have become quite commonplace in the United States.



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13 Nov 2019, 6:10 pm

The actual "law" would depend upon the state. And maybe even upon the city, county, town, or village. There are no "federal standards" for things like this.

Somebody masturbating outside a window would certainly get arrested in at least most states. This is called "public lewdness" in New York State.

Somebody going topless in one's own property in New York State? Perfectly legal, unless you're in "public view." But police, in practical terms, don't enforce this. They wouldn't even give a summons if somebody went topless on one's property, even if in "public view." They would probably admonish the person, but not really strongly; they might do it with a chuckle.

Trust me...the cops have better things to do than deal with a call about a topless woman. The cops would probably laugh it off.



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13 Nov 2019, 6:23 pm

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The actual "law" would depend upon the state. And maybe even upon the city, county, town, or village. There are no "federal standards" for things like this.

Somebody masturbating outside a window would certainly get arrested in at least most states. This is called "public lewdness" in New York State.

Somebody going topless in one's own property in New York State? Perfectly legal, unless you're in "public view." But police, in practical terms, don't enforce this. They wouldn't even give a summons if somebody went topless on one's property, even if in "public view." They would probably admonish the person, but not really strongly; they might do it with a chuckle.

Trust me...the cops have better things to do than deal with a call about a topless woman. The cops would probably laugh it off.

Laugh it off or get their binoculars out of the trunk?



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13 Nov 2019, 6:25 pm

Thanks for adding some legal perspective on the whole private property/public view issue, kraftie.

People here don't call the cops on their neighbours unless they suspect something serious - illegal prostitution, hard drugs, human trafficking or domestic abuse. It's mostly a live and let live attitude and if something bothers you, you knock on their door and talk to them (politely). I never had to call the cops on anyone or had any significant conflicts with my neighbours in 30 years of living here.


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13 Nov 2019, 6:34 pm

In practical terms, unless somebody thinks a person is crazy, they probably wouldn't call the police on somebody who is going topless.

There are places set aside on beaches for topless sunning and bathing. Some women even go topless outside those areas. Usually, nobody really cares.



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13 Nov 2019, 6:45 pm

From my visits to the US I was left with the impression that there can be huge differences between states, as well as city/small-town environments.


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13 Nov 2019, 6:51 pm

Yep. Everything law-related has to take into account, at the very least, the state.



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13 Nov 2019, 6:56 pm

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Yep. Everything law-related has to take into account, at the very least, the state.

I'm sure - I was talking more about attitude in general :)


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13 Nov 2019, 6:58 pm

Basically, people on the East and West Coasts tend to be more (socially) liberal about things than people away from the coast. The exception would be the Upper Midwest---which is usually more liberal (though more politically than socially) than most of the Midwest.



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13 Nov 2019, 7:35 pm

My porch is screened in, so there's double protection. I love going outside in what passes for Winter in Florida, good to know. It's the perfect way to cool off momentarily.


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13 Nov 2019, 7:38 pm

It's pretty cold in Jacksonville now----I think it might go down to the 30s tonight (actually, 53 LOL). But it was cold this morning there.

In Miami, though, it's still in the 70s at night.



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13 Nov 2019, 7:40 pm

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It's pretty cold in Jacksonville now----I think it might go down to the 30s tonight.

In Miami, though, it's still in the 70s at night.



We are loving it, St. Augustine.


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13 Nov 2019, 7:47 pm

It's actually going to get warmer. Your low will only be 60 tonight; I think it was in the 40s this past morning.

It's a nice drive from Ponte Vedra. Of course, St. Augustine is quite an historic town---the site of one of the first European settlemenst of any type north of Mexico.



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13 Nov 2019, 7:56 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
It's actually going to get warmer. Your low will only be 60 tonight; I think it was in the 40s this past morning.

It's a nice drive from Ponte Vedra. Of course, St. Augustine is quite an historic town---the site of one of the first European settlemenst of any type north of Mexico.



I enjoy most of our weather except Aug/Sept/Oct, by that time I'm usually sick of the hot weather. I absolutely love colder weather.

I'm mostly a Central Florida Swamp gal. But, we've been here almost 7 years and I really love it. Our beaches are deserted compared to most of the more popular ones.


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