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28 May 2020, 8:41 pm

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Threatening people is more serious than implicit bias. A bias is protected by freedom of thought; luring other people's dogs isn't. And bias doesn't make people feel unsafe -- unless it is KKK-level bias -- while that guy's behavior does.


The nature of the threat matters and at this point the antagonist has already conceded that she was in the wrong. If she understands that she was in the wrong you can stop pretending she wasn't in the wrong.


They were both in the wrong -- but the guy was in the wrong more than her.



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28 May 2020, 8:42 pm

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Threatening people is more serious than implicit bias. A bias is protected by freedom of thought; luring other people's dogs isn't. And bias doesn't make people feel unsafe -- unless it is KKK-level bias -- while that guy's behavior does.


Bigger picture is society wide....as for the dude with the dog bones, he didn't actually cause harm other than create anxiety in the mind of Amy Cooper.


Well, if someone points a gun at you without actually shooting, they aren't causing harm besides anxiety either. Yet its a crime.



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28 May 2020, 8:44 pm

QFT wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
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Threatening people is more serious than implicit bias. A bias is protected by freedom of thought; luring other people's dogs isn't. And bias doesn't make people feel unsafe -- unless it is KKK-level bias -- while that guy's behavior does.


Bigger picture is society wide....as for the dude with the dog bones, he didn't actually cause harm other than create anxiety in the mind of Amy Cooper.


Well, if someone points a gun at you without actually shooting, they aren't causing harm besides anxiety either. Yet its a crime.


He pointed a camera?



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28 May 2020, 9:00 pm

QFT wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
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Threatening people is more serious than implicit bias. A bias is protected by freedom of thought; luring other people's dogs isn't. And bias doesn't make people feel unsafe -- unless it is KKK-level bias -- while that guy's behavior does.


The nature of the threat matters and at this point the antagonist has already conceded that she was in the wrong. If she understands that she was in the wrong you can stop pretending she wasn't in the wrong.


They were both in the wrong -- but the guy was in the wrong more than her.


You've said that already, but it's still incorrect. :?


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28 May 2020, 9:25 pm

cyberdad wrote:
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Threatening people is more serious than implicit bias. A bias is protected by freedom of thought; luring other people's dogs isn't. And bias doesn't make people feel unsafe -- unless it is KKK-level bias -- while that guy's behavior does.


Bigger picture is society wide....as for the dude with the dog bones, he didn't actually cause harm other than create anxiety in the mind of Amy Cooper.


Well, if someone points a gun at you without actually shooting, they aren't causing harm besides anxiety either. Yet its a crime.


He pointed a camera?


I know he didn't point a gun. I was making an analogy. Pointing a gun induces fear. Acting crazy induces fear too.



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28 May 2020, 10:29 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
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Threatening people is more serious than implicit bias. A bias is protected by freedom of thought; luring other people's dogs isn't. And bias doesn't make people feel unsafe -- unless it is KKK-level bias -- while that guy's behavior does.


The nature of the threat matters and at this point the antagonist has already conceded that she was in the wrong. If she understands that she was in the wrong you can stop pretending she wasn't in the wrong.


So she either says she’s wrong or faces more hatred and possible harm.
Supoose you also support when police make people give false guilty pleas for crimes.


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28 May 2020, 10:30 pm

QFT wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
QFT wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
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Threatening people is more serious than implicit bias. A bias is protected by freedom of thought; luring other people's dogs isn't. And bias doesn't make people feel unsafe -- unless it is KKK-level bias -- while that guy's behavior does.


Bigger picture is society wide....as for the dude with the dog bones, he didn't actually cause harm other than create anxiety in the mind of Amy Cooper.


Well, if someone points a gun at you without actually shooting, they aren't causing harm besides anxiety either. Yet its a crime.


He pointed a camera?


I know he didn't point a gun. I was making an analogy. Pointing a gun induces fear. Acting crazy induces fear too.

You’re trying to make a point to people who are closing their yes plugging heir ears and saying I’m nit listening. You’d be more successful trying to make a point to the sidewalk or a wall.


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28 May 2020, 10:50 pm

QFT wrote:
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Threatening people is more serious than implicit bias. A bias is protected by freedom of thought; luring other people's dogs isn't. And bias doesn't make people feel unsafe -- unless it is KKK-level bias -- while that guy's behavior does.


Bigger picture is society wide....as for the dude with the dog bones, he didn't actually cause harm other than create anxiety in the mind of Amy Cooper.


Well, if someone points a gun at you without actually shooting, they aren't causing harm besides anxiety either. Yet its a crime.


Hmmm that's an interesting point, let's suppose he was causing Amy Cooper to feel anxious (no doubt she was) she felt compelled to call 911 and spoke the truth (remember we are throwing our support behind Amy now)

Amy Cooper "911 I would like to report a man filming me and my dog"

Dispatch: "is he threatening you mam"

Amy Cooper: He says he's going to do something and I'm not going to like it"

Dispatch: What is he currently doing?

Amy Cooper: He is filming my dog

Dispatch: Where is your dog

Amy Cooper: He is running around central Park NY

Dispatch: Have you attempted to call your dog back?

Amy Cooper: No because I am talking to you on the phone

Dispatch: Why is your dog not on leash?

Amy Cooper: erm....oh....wait....

Dispatch: has the man taken your dog?

Amy Cooper: erm....no....I have put him back on leash

Dispatch: Ok is the man threatening you

Amy Cooper: erm...no he left

Dispatch: Mam, this is an emergency number, please don't call this number unless you are actually under threat,



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28 May 2020, 11:06 pm

Video posted here by Christian Cooper.

https://www.facebook.com/671885228/post ... 55229/?d=n


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28 May 2020, 11:29 pm

cyberdad wrote:
QFT wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
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Threatening people is more serious than implicit bias. A bias is protected by freedom of thought; luring other people's dogs isn't. And bias doesn't make people feel unsafe -- unless it is KKK-level bias -- while that guy's behavior does.


Bigger picture is society wide....as for the dude with the dog bones, he didn't actually cause harm other than create anxiety in the mind of Amy Cooper.


Well, if someone points a gun at you without actually shooting, they aren't causing harm besides anxiety either. Yet its a crime.


Hmmm that's an interesting point, let's suppose he was causing Amy Cooper to feel anxious (no doubt she was) she felt compelled to call 911 and spoke the truth (remember we are throwing our support behind Amy now)

Amy Cooper "911 I would like to report a man filming me and my dog"

Dispatch: "is he threatening you mam"

Amy Cooper: He says he's going to do something and I'm not going to like it"

Dispatch: What is he currently doing?

Amy Cooper: He is filming my dog

Dispatch: Where is your dog

Amy Cooper: He is running around central Park NY

Dispatch: Have you attempted to call your dog back?

Amy Cooper: No because I am talking to you on the phone

Dispatch: Why is your dog not on leash?

Amy Cooper: erm....oh....wait....

Dispatch: has the man taken your dog?

Amy Cooper: erm....no....I have put him back on leash

Dispatch: Ok is the man threatening you

Amy Cooper: erm...no he left

Dispatch: Mam, this is an emergency number, please don't call this number unless you are actually under threat,


It really depends on how the girl phrases it. If she stumbles the way you described, then yes she might get similar response. But if she makes a point that he *attempted* to steal the dog, then they are going to at least ask why, and also ask what direction he went to in order to track him down.

In any case, I am wondering about the following double standard. How come, in my thread about the girl in the office -- page 7 (see here viewtopic.php?f=7&t=379696&start=90 ) you said that she might file sexual harassment complaint, even though I haven't done anything and barely talked to her. Yet, in case of this guy, you act like the woman has nothing to complain about even though he tried to steal her dog? Why such a double standard?

P.S. Just for the record, no she didn't file any complaints. But I can still ask the question about your reasoning.



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28 May 2020, 11:33 pm

Because on the liberal support system women are under black people. I dont know where gays fall. Like if it was a gay trans woman this black guy did this too who’d they supoort.
If he guy was white you would see them supporting the woman.


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29 May 2020, 1:56 am

I just read that she is Canadian and went to uni less than an hour from me - I feel ashamed by association. Some solace in the fact the shelter took back the dog - I don't think anyone mentioned how she was dragging it around so his paws didn't even touch the ground.



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29 May 2020, 3:35 am

She was making $170k/yr as a vice-president at a big, prestigious investment company.

She was the head of the insurance investment department.

Now she's unemployed "racist park lady" in the middle of a depression (40 million unemployed).


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29 May 2020, 4:20 am

QFT wrote:
It really depends on how the girl phrases it. If she stumbles the way you described, then yes she might get similar response. But if she makes a point that he *attempted* to steal the dog, then they are going to at least ask why, and also ask what direction he went to in order to track him down.


The dispatch for 911 is not a complaints line, its for life threatening emergencies only. She failed the moment she rang that number. The rest is just her burying herself in a deeper pit than she was already in.

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In any case, I am wondering about the following double standard. How come, in my thread about the girl in the office -- page 7 (see here viewtopic.php?f=7&t=379696&start=90 ) you said that she might file sexual harassment complaint, even though I haven't done anything and barely talked to her. Yet, in case of this guy, you act like the woman has nothing to complain about even though he tried to steal her dog? Why such a double standard?


He didn't steal her dog, watch the video QFT she was virtually strangling the poor dog by the neck when she put the leash back on him. I read animal welfare may take the dog off her because of cruelty.

The case of your co-worker in the office is different because its a workplace and and there was a risk (which we discussed in detail) that she could construe your advances as harassment because she works in the same space as you.

Christian Cooper was a stranger who walked away, he was never any threat, however weird his actions....



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29 May 2020, 4:22 am

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She was making $170k/yr as a vice-president at a big, prestigious investment company.

She was the head of the insurance investment department.

Now she's unemployed "racist park lady" in the middle of a depression (40 million unemployed).


And who's fault is that? Franklin Templeton sacked her take it up with them...



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29 May 2020, 4:23 am

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So she either says she’s wrong or faces more hatred and possible harm.
Supoose you also support when police make people give false guilty pleas for crimes.


No, but I support people apologizing when they're clearly in the wrong like she was. I'm glad she understands it even if you refuse to.


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