Monuments to racism toppling around the world.

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Yet it’s illegal to tear down Egyptian Egyptian statues and monuments. Roman ones still stand too. I don’t see jews in Egypt tearing down the spnyx.

Books that are being rewritten the left? So who’s version of history will we learn?
I’ve seen the new history book of lies. So I wouldn’t trust them.
Seeing and touching beats reading about some person Version of it.

They literary re wrote the bill of rights in new history books.

No amount of hot air is going to convince me anyone on the other side cares about the statues enough to justify walking all over someone else's dignity.

Historical truth > conspiracy theories. This is not a conspiracy to erase your history, it's a request to acknowledge someone else's.

It’s a museum, one that people have been trying to have removed same as all other nazie buildings. I suspect the neo nazies who travel there see it as a shrine to greatness.
So say those who want it removed. Including locals. What it is is a piece of history that enables people to feel history and not forget it. Better off just changing the plaques instead of removing them.
The debate here seems to be same as the one over the hitler bunker meusum but Germany let it happen. Many said if glorifies hitler and shouldn’t be allowe others say it’s showing history. Many sites including the actual bunker were desotryed all its done is add ammo to the deniers who can say well if it happen where’s hitlers house? Where’s the bunker, oh they don’t exist that’s right.
It’d been better if we’d left the bunker intact, and showed peope this is where hitler died this is the s**t infested hope he spent his last months in. This is where he hide scared and depressed as the world came for him and this is where he ended his own life to avoid being trialed for his crimes and facing judgment. Instead we have a parking lot.
Even the few remaining items from the Nazis are being called to be destroyed.
When the next dictator trying to kill millions come people will be like hitler who, holocaust what?

Most people my age I’ve talked to don’t even know anything about the civil war, they don’t even know about ww2. If it happen before the 1990s it didn’t happen. It’s why they’re was such a rush to film veterans and figures from that time. To get former Nazis on film admitting to their crimes, thst it was real. But still nothing replaces being there, touching something, makes it all real. So if people see a statue of some confederate guy and they feel angry and upset then it’s done it’s job. Just as people who visit Auschwitz should feel sick, Horror, anger, upset. Thst feeling will be with them for their whole life.
But from videos I’ve seen it’s become more of a tourist attraction, I see people smiling, laughing etc. likewise people who’ve seen hitlers car(sjw demand it be destroyed) have stayed they can feel the evil and it makes them sad and feel sick. You can’t replace that with a book.

People who want Auschwitz erased say the same thing.
So when there nothing left but what’s in books and people say slavery is fiction it didn’t happen just as civil war didn’t happen. Then what?

Dude did I say I was a freaking holocaust denier?

Your extremism is a bit much today. I didn't call for that, you're taking the entire black lives matter aspect of this away from everyone & turning it into a libtards-be-gone sufferfest.

I don't care anymore.

Advocating for a country that respects everyone's history is not holocaust denial. You're denying a great deal by playing devil's advocate for dead racists here.

One is within a few generations, the other is thousands of years into the past. Comparing unequal things as though they are equal is dishonest.

I'm not sure it's playing devil's advocate. Occassionally conceding that the odd racist slaying was 'too far' isn't the same as genuinely believing other groups of people are deserving of the same rights, dignity and respect as yourself. If one is consistently hostile to virtually any black protest no matter the form it takes it's hard to not be left with the impression that one is motivated by antipathy to those people concerns, interests and rights.

Exactly, it's mutually exclusive with legitimate respect for the people slighted by these statues.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/06/18/euro ... index.html

Putin rewrites World War II history -- and does battle over historical memory

But books are all we need.

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I don't want to go as far as to insist it must be racism, because the other explanation is 'getting it' on a case-by-case basis while ignoring how when there's hundreds of years with tens of millions of incidents that it's systemic and not just a big coincidence.

Dude did I say you were? Nope. I just said people calling for it to be destroyed use them same logic you do about the confederate statues.
Quite trying to put words and my mouth and play the victim.

How about you two quit following me around attacking me.
Not once have I slandered you like you do me I’m reporting this and other posts.
How about you follow wp rules and be respectful for other memebers.

I don't follow, we participate in many of the same threads due to have somewhat similar interests even if we're often on opposite sides of issues.

I haven't slandered you but I'm not going to mince words if a poster consistently appears to have racial antipathy.

To quote someone I hope you respect, quit trying to put words in my mouth and play the victim. The fact that you're more sensitive to criticism than I am doesn't make you beyond criticism, especially not when what I've said is true. Maybe you don't need to come rushing to the defence of racists every time they're criticized, at the very least it will help reduce the appearance that you're motivated by racial antipathy. Getting worked up over the odd case while consistently being hostile to any response isn't enough to make up for the consistent pattern you demonstrate.

Sorry it is a museum and a shrine. I have seen that neo-Nazis have gone there as some type of pilgrimage (like Hitler's birth place is supposed to be some type of mecca for Neo-Nazis)




With regard to statues I had a sea change and it should be up to the locals to decide whether to remove historically important statues.