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09 Sep 2021, 7:37 am

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Thor is the god of thunder. Odin is the "head of all the gods," if I'm not mistaken.


In the TV series vikings he (Odin) wears a hat

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Looks like Gandolph

Or rather both Thor and Gandalf use the same trope of wise old man.


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09 Sep 2021, 7:41 am

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There is doubt weather the Exodus indeed happened in geographical sense. It could have been just a political event - just before the Late Bronze Age Collapse, Egypt ruled in Levant.
Egyptian monotheism of Aton was brief and short-living. It might have been an expression of an idea that was circulating in the region before taking the more defined form of Hebrew monotheism.


I can't confirm the exodus story as authentic, but its well known Jewish tribes lived in Egypt and as far south as Cush. The Falasha of Ethiopia are supposed to be descendants of the 12th tribe of Israel (sons of Dan according to the state of Israel).

Solomon's son is supposed to have started the line of kings of Ethiopia leading to Haile Selassie. If the Israelites were frolicking around north Ethiopia I am sure they sojourned in Egypt as their own writing attest,



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09 Sep 2021, 7:44 am

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There is doubt weather the Exodus indeed happened in geographical sense. It could have been just a political event - just before the Late Bronze Age Collapse, Egypt ruled in Levant.
Egyptian monotheism of Aton was brief and short-living. It might have been an expression of an idea that was circulating in the region before taking the more defined form of Hebrew monotheism.


I can't confirm the exodus story as authentic, but its well known Jewish tribes lived in Egypt and as far south as Cush. The Falasha of Ethiopia are supposed to be descendants of the 12th tribe of Israel (sons of Dan according to the state of Israel).

Solomon's son is supposed to have started the line of kings of Ethiopia leading to Haile Selassie. If the Israelites were frolicking around north Ethiopia I am sure they sojourned in Egypt as their own writing attest,

No matter which chronology you take, Solomon was generations after Exodus.


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09 Sep 2021, 7:46 am

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There is doubt weather the Exodus indeed happened in geographical sense. It could have been just a political event - just before the Late Bronze Age Collapse, Egypt ruled in Levant.
Egyptian monotheism of Aton was brief and short-living. It might have been an expression of an idea that was circulating in the region before taking the more defined form of Hebrew monotheism.


I can't confirm the exodus story as authentic, but its well known Jewish tribes lived in Egypt and as far south as Cush. The Falasha of Ethiopia are supposed to be descendants of the 12th tribe of Israel (sons of Dan according to the state of Israel).

Solomon's son is supposed to have started the line of kings of Ethiopia leading to Haile Selassie. If the Israelites were frolicking around north Ethiopia I am sure they sojourned in Egypt as their own writing attest,

No matter which chronology you take, Solomon was generations after Exodus.


True, but my point was that Solomon's son travelled to Egypt where there was still a thriving Jewish community and took a boat down the nile till he reached Aksum. This suggests the Hebrews (or Habiru as the Egyptians called them) were living in this region for centuries before.



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09 Sep 2021, 7:56 am

No doubt there was a lot of contact and likely diasporic communities but there is no archeological evidence at all of massive migration in the region in late bronze or early iron age.

As the final form of Old Testament was redacted during Babylonian times (6th century BC), the historical kernel of Exodus must have been several centuries old, so it could have been wildly altered from reality.

Egyptian plagues look like folk memory of a massive ecological catastrophe. I think something like that was likely to happen, maybe triggering the Late Bronze Age Collapse? What was a great crisis for contemporary empires turned out an opportunity for independence of a small league of tribes.


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09 Sep 2021, 11:27 am

If Satanism's core belief is that people should be responsible for their own lives and their own fate then how can they support socialists candidates or institutions which are collectivist in nature?



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09 Sep 2021, 11:33 am

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If Satanism's core belief is that people should be responsible for their own lives and their own fate then how can they support socialists candidates or institutions which are collectivist in nature?
You may be thinking of Libertarians.

If I understand correctly, Satanist "doctrine" centers on self-actualization, not politics ... "It does not matter who is running the government, as long as they leave me the Hell alone!"

Maybe they are more like Anarchists ... ?


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09 Sep 2021, 11:34 am

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If Satanism's core belief is that people should be responsible for their own lives and their own fate then how can they support socialists candidates or institutions which are collectivist in nature?


Perhaps they believe that people are entitled to work together towards common goals, even if they also believe in individualism. The two aren't mutually exclusive.


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09 Sep 2021, 11:35 am

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cyberdad wrote:
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Thor is the god of thunder. Odin is the "head of all the gods," if I'm not mistaken.


In the TV series vikings he (Odin) wears a hat

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Looks like Gandolph

Or rather both Thor and Gandalf use the same trope of wise old man.


Odin, not Thor.

Odin is the wandering proto-wizard, Thor is the warrior.


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09 Sep 2021, 11:36 am

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cyberdad wrote:
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Thor is the god of thunder. Odin is the "head of all the gods," if I'm not mistaken.


In the TV series vikings he (Odin) wears a hat

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Looks like Gandolph

Or rather both Thor and Gandalf use the same trope of wise old man.


Odin, not Thor.

Odin is the wandering proto-wizard, Thor is the warrior.

:oops: Surely, I mean Odin.


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09 Sep 2021, 11:42 am

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:oops: Surely, I mean Odin.


Don't call me Shirley. :P


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09 Sep 2021, 11:43 am

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Solomon's son is supposed to have started the line of kings of Ethiopia leading to Haile Selassie. If the Israelites were frolicking around north Ethiopia I am sure they sojourned in Egypt as their own writing attest,


Or it's just a claim made by a ancient Christian kingdom by it's leader to show his legitimacy. It certainly wouldn't be the first time a king exaggerated about his linage.


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09 Sep 2021, 11:59 am

Fnord wrote:
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If Satanism's core belief is that people should be responsible for their own lives and their own fate then how can they support socialists candidates or institutions which are collectivist in nature?
You may be thinking of Libertarians.

If I understand correctly, Satanist "doctrine" centers on self-actualization, not politics ... "It does not matter who is running the government, as long as they leave me the Hell alone!"

Maybe they are more like Anarchists ... ?

But therein lies the problem, Collectivist governments never just leave you alone.



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09 Sep 2021, 12:16 pm

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But therein lies the problem, Collectivist governments never just leave you alone.
It seems rather offtopic remark but do you mean they don't leave you to die on the street?


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09 Sep 2021, 1:21 pm

Mr Reynholm wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
If Satanism's core belief is that people should be responsible for their own lives and their own fate then how can they support socialists candidates or institutions which are collectivist in nature?
You may be thinking of Libertarians.

If I understand correctly, Satanist "doctrine" centers on self-actualization, not politics ... "It does not matter who is running the government, as long as they leave me the Hell alone!"

Maybe they are more like Anarchists ... ?

But therein lies the problem, Collectivist governments never just leave you alone.


You mean like the traditionalists who feel that government should police any lifestyles that aren't form a traditional family? It seems like the whole premise is that you owe the state children and anything that might interfere with producing more children needs to be punished.


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Mr Reynholm wrote:
Fnord wrote:
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If Satanism's core belief is that people should be responsible for their own lives and their own fate then how can they support socialists candidates or institutions which are collectivist in nature?
You may be thinking of Libertarians.  If I understand correctly, Satanist "doctrine" centers on self-actualization, not politics ... "It does not matter who is running the government, as long as they leave me the Hell alone!"  Maybe they are more like Anarchists ... ?
But therein lies the problem, Collectivist governments never just leave you alone.
Heck, ordinary people never leave me along (for very long, anyway) -- panhandlers, salespeople, bikini models, eyewitness news teams -- some days it is just too much to handle!


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