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10 Dec 2021, 4:52 pm

Viruses mutate all of the time. Assigning a name to each significant mutation will literally go on forever & line the pockets of pharmaceutical companies forever.

How did people go from having vaccines that were supposed to be administered during infancy and the teenage years to having one every year for a particular virus, that is now not even that dangerous?

It's an obvious ruse.

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10 Dec 2021, 5:42 pm

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This is true, the only way to make this virus 'go away'* is to stop reporting every covid case and death on the news, stop christening every new variant, and stop restricting our freedom.

*By 'go away' I don't mean it literally, as it will never physically go away. But it will reduce the panic and the hype of it all. In a couple of months there will just be another variant that will be "more dangerous than the last". Once they run out of countries or cities to name the 'variants' after the pandemic will finally end. Might take a few thousand years though. I'm bored of it already.

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10 Dec 2021, 6:35 pm

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I tend to agree.
There are profits to be made in pharmaceutical products.
Rumour suggests the corona virus is a Ferengi profit making venture.
Buy shares in Ferengi stocks, is my tip of the day. :money:

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10 Dec 2021, 11:11 pm

I agree with both of you.

It's ridiculous that they are trying to force every last person to have one? Do people think pharmaceutical companies really care about their health that much? They are doing it purely for profit.

Whether a person needs them or not is an entirely different matter.

But yeah, they don't care at all about people's health, and if people think that, then they are mistaken.

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11 Dec 2021, 12:28 am

blitzkrieg wrote:

It's ridiculous that they are trying to force every last person to have one? Do people think pharmaceutical companies really care about their health that much? They are doing it purely for profit.

Whether a person needs them or not is an entirely different matter.

But yeah, they don't care at all about people's health, and if people think that, then they are mistaken.

I've said this from the start. Someone's getting bloody rich off the vaccines, and it sure isn't me.

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11 Dec 2021, 1:49 am

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blitzkrieg wrote:

I've said this from the start. Someone's getting bloody rich off the vaccines, and it sure isn't me.

Precisely.

Even if a vaccine every year is necessary for a particular person, it is the vaccine manufacturers and all of the organisations associated with it politically and which act in ther interests, that benefit the most.

It is predatory capitalism. Philanthropic capitalism is still captialism.

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11 Dec 2021, 9:20 am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59621029

More doom and gloom. Up to 75k deaths in the UK from this new variant. Double doses of vaccines are now useless so after less than a year of having two jabs....I'm now unvaccinated again.

Somehow they're still expecting people to show up for their boosters despite the fact the vaccines are next to useless for the vast majority of people.

I went out with friends two days ago. It's impressive how many of them who were once pro-vaccine are now starting to adopt an anti-vaccine stance and many are not bothering with their boosters. Can't really blame them.

I predict riots shortly.

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11 Dec 2021, 9:26 am

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Nades wrote:

But very rarely.

Current studies show up to 66% of Covid survivors will have lingering symptoms.

It's hard to know what to believe anymore. I've had the sense recently that even trusted academics will say anything to over exaggerate the dangers and there seems to be constant contradictions even within the scientific community.

As far as I'm concerned though, the pandemic is over.

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11 Dec 2021, 9:31 am

If the Omicron variant turns out to be heavily transmissible, yet mild, that would be good. Maybe a sign that COVID will become like a seasonal flu.

The research shows that vaccines confer SOME protection against Omicron. Better protection if boostered. Still not enough, though.

The Pandemic is not over. Too many people in hospitals. Too many people dying.

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11 Dec 2021, 9:53 am

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If the Omicron variant turns out to be heavily transmissible, yet mild, that would be good. Maybe a sign that COVID will become like a seasonal flu.

This is probably the case but government will never admit this and scientists will quietly silence other academics who believe it poses less of a danger.

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The research shows that vaccines confer SOME protection against Omicron. Better protection if boostered. Still not enough, though.

I've read that a double dose of AstraZeneca offers no protection whatsoever and Pfizer is marginal at best. Basically, everyone here who has had only the double jab is now fully unvaccinated again and at the same stage they were at when the pandemic began. Seems like a pile of absolute horse poop of a vaccine to be honest. It was only in summer I had my second dose and now it's useless again.

https://www.politico.eu/article/first-global-studies-suggest-omicron-escapes-vaccine-immunity-boosters-show-promise/

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The Pandemic is not over. Too many people in hospitals. Too many people dying.

It is in my eyes and even if I become infected I see no point in isolating anymore. It's going to spread regardless.

Ohhh how things have changed in less than a year. Get the vaccines the government said, it'll get us out of the woods they said....................the filthy little liars.

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11 Dec 2021, 11:51 am

I heard a lot of people under 50 are getting ill after having the third booster. My boyfriend's niece is the same age as me and she's a nurse so had to have the booster, and she was ill for three weeks after having the vaccine. I never heard of a vaccine making you ill for three weeks before. And she has a friend who got rushed to hospital a couple of hours after having his booster and nearly died. He's now got some sort of breathing difficulties they need to keep an eye on, and he's never had any lung problems before (he's never smoked and is very fit).
And I heard a few other horror stories about the third vaccine too. So I'm a bit reluctant to have it, and now that I've recently learned autistic people have an autoimmune disease, I could have a bad reaction to the third booster and die.

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11 Dec 2021, 1:13 pm

Most reported U.S. Omicron cases have hit the fully vaccinated -CDC

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Most of the 43 COVID-19 cases caused by the Omicron variant identified in the United States so far were in people who were fully vaccinated, and a third of them had received a booster dose, according to a U.S. report published on Friday.

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said that of the 43 cases attributed to Omicron variant, 34 people had been fully vaccinated. Fourteen of them had also received a booster, although five of those cases occurred less than 14 days after the additional shot before full protection kicks in.

While the numbers are very small, they add to growing concerns that current COVID-19 vaccines may offer less protection against the highly transmissible new variant.

The Omicron variant of the coronavirus has been found through testing in about 22 states so far after first being identified in southern Africa and Hong Kong in late November.

Among the Omicron cases, 25 were in people aged 18 to 39 and 14 had traveled internationally. Six people had previously been infected with the coronavirus.

Most of them only had mild symptoms such as coughing, congestion, and fatigue, the report said, and one person was hospitalized for two days. Other symptoms reported less frequently including nausea or vomiting, shortness of breath or difficulty breathing, diarrhea and loss of taste or smell.

The CDC said that while many of the first reported Omicron cases appear to be mild, a lag exists between infection and more severe outcomes

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11 Dec 2021, 1:44 pm

I’m 60. I got a Moderna booster. I had very few ill effects.

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11 Dec 2021, 1:50 pm

Daily cases in South Africa and neighbouring Zimbabwe - in the region already dominated by Omicron - show much steeper climb than on previous waves.
We'll need to wait to see if it happens elsewhere in the world.
We'll also have to wait for new deaths info - new deaths waves typically show 2-3 weeks after new cases waves.

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11 Dec 2021, 5:17 pm

blitzkrieg wrote:

I despise big business.
I have heard it said the pharmaceutical companies are hoping the Omicron virus needs a different vaccine, so as to boost their profit margins.

I have no idea it is true, but it shows the level of contempt I have for them to consider the proposition.

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11 Dec 2021, 5:19 pm

Nades wrote:

Delta is still out there.
The boosters will help with that, at least.

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