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11 Mar 2022, 8:01 pm

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Alright, I'll ask it: please give an example.


You're not asking me, but I'll answer generally. Biden is garden-variety corrupt. I say garden variety not to diminish the scale, because the scale has been vast. I say garden variety in kind. It's ordinary stuff that politicians do. Not the over-the-top stuff of the Clintons, or the insidious stuff of the Obamas, or the wanton avarice of the Trumps. Just plain, old serving of the already wealthy for his small cut, and a cut for his family. He's almost wholesome compared to the Clintons, but he is corrupt.

The harm he does is occupying the space that someone else could occupy. Someone who gives a crap about non-elite people.


Agreed.



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11 Mar 2022, 8:02 pm

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Of course he's enriched himself! All corporate Dems and Pubs are in bed with the same corporate donor class. He's worth millions!

Are you that naive?


I'm curious, given the republicans openly enrich themselves as well, I assume there' a reason you dislike it when a democrat does it more than the former is because.......(insert answer here)


Read my words again. This time, more slowly.


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11 Mar 2022, 8:05 pm

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Veg-

I'll give you that. But Trumpy blatantly violated laws in a way that would make the rest of them look like amateurs.


He's not Trump, he's not Trump, he's not Trump, he's not Trump, he's not Trump...


Wot are you trying to say?
Spit it out, man, ffs!

I'd rather have Desantis than Trump running for the next election.
He is younger and presumably not as adversarial.



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11 Mar 2022, 8:31 pm

How about instead of some other awful person instead of Trump, America just simply chooses the best person?



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12 Mar 2022, 4:49 am

TenMinutes wrote:
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Alright, I'll ask it: please give an example.


You're not asking me, but I'll answer generally. Biden is garden-variety corrupt. I say garden variety not to diminish the scale, because the scale has been vast. I say garden variety in kind. It's ordinary stuff that politicians do. Not the over-the-top stuff of the Clintons, or the insidious stuff of the Obamas, or the wanton avarice of the Trumps. Just plain, old serving of the already wealthy for his small cut, and a cut for his family. He's almost wholesome compared to the Clintons, but he is corrupt.

The harm he does is occupying the space that someone else could occupy. Someone who gives a crap about non-elite people.


You lost me with the Obamas. Seriously, the Obamas???


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12 Mar 2022, 4:52 am

Skunk of the southern continent-

Isn't that just headlines in the National Enquirer?


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12 Mar 2022, 4:56 am

Pepe wrote:
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Veg-

I'll give you that. But Trumpy blatantly violated laws in a way that would make the rest of them look like amateurs.


He's not Trump, he's not Trump, he's not Trump, he's not Trump, he's not Trump...


Wot are you trying to say?
Spit it out, man, ffs!

I'd rather have Desantis than Trump running for the next election.
He is younger and presumably not as adversarial.


Desatan has proven himself to be a racist and a homophobe. He's picked up where Trump left off. Plus he's so anti mask and antivaccine that he's responsible for the deaths of droves of people.


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12 Mar 2022, 6:27 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Matrix Glitch wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Veg-

I'll give you that. But Trumpy blatantly violated laws in a way that would make the rest of them look like amateurs.


He's not Trump, he's not Trump, he's not Trump, he's not Trump, he's not Trump...


Wot are you trying to say?
Spit it out, man, ffs!

I'd rather have Desantis than Trump running for the next election.
He is younger and presumably not as adversarial.


Desatan has proven himself to be a racist and a homophobe. He's picked up where Trump left off. Plus he's so anti mask and antivaccine that he's responsible for the deaths of droves of people.


I don't automatically take people's word for things like that.
I may do my own research some time down the line.

In the meantime, I will continue to maintain a skeptical mindset.



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12 Mar 2022, 7:12 am

Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Matrix Glitch wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Veg-

I'll give you that. But Trumpy blatantly violated laws in a way that would make the rest of them look like amateurs.


He's not Trump, he's not Trump, he's not Trump, he's not Trump, he's not Trump...


Wot are you trying to say?
Spit it out, man, ffs!

I'd rather have Desantis than Trump running for the next election.
He is younger and presumably not as adversarial.


Desatan has proven himself to be a racist and a homophobe. He's picked up where Trump left off. Plus he's so anti mask and antivaccine that he's responsible for the deaths of droves of people.


I don't automatically take people's word for things like that.
I may do my own research some time down the line.

In the meantime, I will continue to maintain a skeptical mindset.


I'm basing that charge on Desatan's Anti-Critical Race Theory policies, making it impossible to teach legitimate history about race in schools because it might be offensive to white people.
He has also signed the "Don't Say Gay bill," which makes any reference to homosexuality or transgenderism forbidden in public schools, for fear that talking about such things will turn straight kids gay or trans.
So, yes, he is a racist and a homophobe, catering to racists and homophobes in his state of Florida.
But by all means, please do your own research.


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12 Mar 2022, 7:16 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
TenMinutes wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Alright, I'll ask it: please give an example.


You're not asking me, but I'll answer generally. Biden is garden-variety corrupt. I say garden variety not to diminish the scale, because the scale has been vast. I say garden variety in kind. It's ordinary stuff that politicians do. Not the over-the-top stuff of the Clintons, or the insidious stuff of the Obamas, or the wanton avarice of the Trumps. Just plain, old serving of the already wealthy for his small cut, and a cut for his family. He's almost wholesome compared to the Clintons, but he is corrupt.

The harm he does is occupying the space that someone else could occupy. Someone who gives a crap about non-elite people.


You lost me with the Obamas. Seriously, the Obamas???


He did use the word insidious, so I assume that what he is thinking of wasn't obvious, just silently corrosive. I think President's Obama's most common "crime" was letting people think he would do something, when he didn't really mean to. There were always more words than action, or even efforts at action. He is a magician with words, and profited immensely from his books. False promises like that can have a corrosive effect on a society. There are also a lot of people who believe Obama intentionally increased division and racism, but I have no desire to get into that nuanced and complex charge; I don't really buy it myself, but have had to concede that those divisions did increase under his watch, for reasons we could debate to eternity and would never find consensus on.

There are no saints in politics, that is simply reality. Obama also made a lot of mistakes; my memory is too poor to list them, but I know he did. But I think that he was successful in keeping a steady hand as we tried to steer out of the financial crisis he inherited (which a LOT of conservatives try to miss-attribute to him), and despite its faults I think the ACA (healthcare act or Obamacare) was an important step in the right direction.

I don't want to charge political opponents with no being able to apply clear eyes without applying my own clear eyes to candidates I favored.


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12 Mar 2022, 7:23 pm

TenMinutes wrote:
The harm he does is occupying the space that someone else could occupy. Someone who gives a crap about non-elite people.


It don't think it's a fair charge. We voted. He was selected from a large field of alternatives, and he won fair and square. The party hadn't kept people out of the race in order to ordain him like they presumably did with Clinton. Agree with the vote or not, it happened. A LOT of people powered behind him mostly because they felt he was the only one who could defeat Trump, but the reason matters less than the result: he won in a wide open race.

We don't get the luxury of choosing a mythical, ideal person. We have to choose from those who actually want the job.


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12 Mar 2022, 8:37 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
TenMinutes wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Alright, I'll ask it: please give an example.


You're not asking me, but I'll answer generally. Biden is garden-variety corrupt. I say garden variety not to diminish the scale, because the scale has been vast. I say garden variety in kind. It's ordinary stuff that politicians do. Not the over-the-top stuff of the Clintons, or the insidious stuff of the Obamas, or the wanton avarice of the Trumps. Just plain, old serving of the already wealthy for his small cut, and a cut for his family. He's almost wholesome compared to the Clintons, but he is corrupt.

The harm he does is occupying the space that someone else could occupy. Someone who gives a crap about non-elite people.


You lost me with the Obamas. Seriously, the Obamas???


He did use the word insidious, so I assume that what he is thinking of wasn't obvious, just silently corrosive. I think President's Obama's most common "crime" was letting people think he would do something, when he didn't really mean to. There were always more words than action, or even efforts at action. He is a magician with words, and profited immensely from his books. False promises like that can have a corrosive effect on a society. There are also a lot of people who believe Obama intentionally increased division and racism, but I have no desire to get into that nuanced and complex charge; I don't really buy it myself, but have had to concede that those divisions did increase under his watch, for reasons we could debate to eternity and would never find consensus on.

There are no saints in politics, that is simply reality. Obama also made a lot of mistakes; my memory is too poor to list them, but I know he did. But I think that he was successful in keeping a steady hand as we tried to steer out of the financial crisis he inherited (which a LOT of conservatives try to miss-attribute to him), and despite its faults I think the ACA (healthcare act or Obamacare) was an important step in the right direction.

I don't want to charge political opponents with no being able to apply clear eyes without applying my own clear eyes to candidates I favored.


I've heard the charge that Obama was responsible for the rise of racism during his Presidency, and that is simply ridiculous. The fault of racism is to be found in the hearts and minds or racists who hated having a black President.


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12 Mar 2022, 8:40 pm

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How about instead of some other awful person instead of Trump, America just simply chooses the best person?


My "Green Card" hasn't been approved yet. <joke>



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12 Mar 2022, 8:50 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Matrix Glitch wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Veg-

I'll give you that. But Trumpy blatantly violated laws in a way that would make the rest of them look like amateurs.


He's not Trump, he's not Trump, he's not Trump, he's not Trump, he's not Trump...


Wot are you trying to say?
Spit it out, man, ffs!

I'd rather have Desantis than Trump running for the next election.
He is younger and presumably not as adversarial.


Desatan has proven himself to be a racist and a homophobe. He's picked up where Trump left off. Plus he's so anti mask and antivaccine that he's responsible for the deaths of droves of people.


I don't automatically take people's word for things like that.
I may do my own research some time down the line.

In the meantime, I will continue to maintain a skeptical mindset.


I'm basing that charge on Desatan's Anti-Critical Race Theory policies, making it impossible to teach legitimate history about race in schools because it might be offensive to white people.


He says he wants the parents to have the right to determine what political content is taught at skools.

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[He has also signed the "Don't Say Gay bill,"


This is incorrect and left-wing propaganda.
There is no "Don't Say Gay bill".
It has *never* been called a "Don't Say Gay bill" by Desantis.
This is typical mudslinging/disinformation by the hard left.
You should know how political buggery works by now, and it happens on ***both*** sides of the political divide.

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which makes any reference to homosexuality or transgenderism forbidden in public schools, for fear that talking about such things will turn straight kids gay or trans.
So, yes, he is a racist and a homophobe, catering to racists and homophobes in his state of Florida.
But by all means, please do your own research.


I listened to an interview of his this morning.
There is no indication that he is transphobic or homophobic.
Perhaps he has changed his position today.
Stranger things have happened.

Desantis is known for respecting the rights of parents.
This is the message coming through to me.
If you think this is a bad thing, then so be it, my friend. ;)



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13 Mar 2022, 12:21 am

DW_a_mom wrote:
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The harm he does is occupying the space that someone else could occupy. Someone who gives a crap about non-elite people.


It don't think it's a fair charge. We voted. He was selected from a large field of alternatives, and he won fair and square....A LOT of people powered behind him mostly because they felt he was the only one who could defeat Trump, but the reason matters less than the result: he won in a wide open race.


Jim Clyburne, Barack Obama and the media put the thumb on the scale for him. I WILL NOT grant that YOU (collectively, not personally) chose him. The media, using mostly Clyburne as an excuse, said CHOOSE THIS ONE CHOOSE THIS ONE CHOOSE THIS ONE, and you chose that one. What am I supposed to make of that?

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We have to choose from those who actually want the job.


We have to choose from those who pass the media filter.

We would do well to figure out which candidates the media is pushing for and oppose them outright. We keep voting for the ones the oligarchs tell us to vote for, and we think this is choice.



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13 Mar 2022, 12:26 am

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I've heard the charge that Obama was responsible for the rise of racism during his Presidency


It's possible that he used wokeness to make his opponents look bad, the way Clinton used "vast right-wing conspiracy" to make her opponents look bad. But to blame him for the racism he was responding to is just silly.