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17 Mar 2020, 1:07 pm

You can get arrested for making "frivolous" phone calls in NYC, too. This would certainly be under the category of "frivolous" call.



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17 Mar 2020, 1:08 pm

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In the U.S. there has been a major move towards downsizing of hospitals. The government has gotten its hands into hospitals by dictating how many beds should be available and how long patients should stay in the hospital before they are discharged. The result is many hospital are closing their door.

Many of these closed hospitals have not be torn down. It might make some sense to reactive these facilities rather than build new from scratch.

My country has not-so-ancient history of turning churches into temporary hospitals... but you still need to provide staff.
Also, not so good for contagious diseases.


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17 Mar 2020, 1:10 pm

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I'm assuming that the impact to economies is going to be financially devastating. If businesses are to remain closed for extended periods, they will not remain viable for long. The overall impacts of the virus haven't even really begun.

You can't really forsee the long-term impact on economies if the plague causes significant social changes (vide Black Death)


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17 Mar 2020, 1:24 pm

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I'm assuming that the impact to economies is going to be financially devastating. If businesses are to remain closed for extended periods, they will not remain viable for long. The overall impacts of the virus haven't even really begun.


That concerns me more than the virus itself.



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17 Mar 2020, 1:25 pm

Yep...this will have a severe economic impact.

But we will bounce back!



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17 Mar 2020, 1:46 pm

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@ jimmy,

I still can't get your exact type of air purifier online.

What would be the key features I'm looking for in another brand?

I've wanted one for a while because I have a dog and a cat.

Thanks!


There are many different types of air purifiers.

The one I am using has the following features: an electrostatic collecting, ozone filter and activated carbon filter, powerful UV lamp and a negative ionizer.

So from the viewpoint of purifying the air of viruses and harmful bacteria - the UV lamp is critical. It is called UVC lamp, UV-C sanitizer, UV-C sterilizer, UV light sterilizer, UV LED. Most air purifiers do not have this feature. So I would recommend finding one with this feature.

The other feature is the ionizer (electrostatic collecting, ozone filter, negative ionizer). It ionizes particles within the air. I am not an expert but I would make the assumption [Ionic compounds are compounds composed of ions, charged particles that form when an atom (or group of atoms) gains or loses electrons. A cation is a positively charged ion; an anion is a negatively charged ion.) Covalent or molecular compounds form when elements share electrons in a covalent bond to form molecules.] that dust particles in the air are ionized which causes them to clump together and fall to the floor or be attracted to an ionic collector thereby removing them from the air.

The third feature is a activated carbon filter. This feature I believe adds a freshness to the air, in a similar way that a carbon water filter adds a fresh taste to water that passes through it.

Many of these air purifiers also have a HEPA filter. These are heavy filters that restrict air flow and have larger noisier fans as a result. So I picked a bare bones unit without this feature because I didn't need it and I wanted a whisper quiet filter instead. Some individuals are heavy smokers and they may need a HEPA filter, but I don't.


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17 Mar 2020, 1:48 pm

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Right now I’m avoiding all children since they usually are chock full of viruses.

That's actually very reasonable of you.

What if all the grownups die from this and just the children are left...
Star Trek episode comes to mind.


Makes me think more of southpark than star trek


Miri Star Trek: The Original Series: Season 1, Episode 8

Kirk and a landing party discover a replica Earth trapped in the year 1960 and inhabited only by children. After learning that a plague has wiped out all the adults, the crew fear that they will become the next victims of the disease.

And we all know that everything on Star Trek comes true. :D


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17 Mar 2020, 1:50 pm

These go up quick.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quonset_hut


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17 Mar 2020, 2:00 pm

Misslizard wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Bravo5150 wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
magz wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Right now I’m avoiding all children since they usually are chock full of viruses.

That's actually very reasonable of you.

What if all the grownups die from this and just the children are left...
Star Trek episode comes to mind.


Makes me think more of southpark than star trek


Miri Star Trek: The Original Series: Season 1, Episode 8

Kirk and a landing party discover a replica Earth trapped in the year 1960 and inhabited only by children. After learning that a plague has wiped out all the adults, the crew fear that they will become the next victims of the disease.

And we all know that everything on Star Trek comes true. :D


Oh, I don't think I have seen that one. But I went to thinking southpark because of an episode where all the parents got arrested and the kids made up the entire towns population.



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17 Mar 2020, 2:02 pm

Bravo5150 wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Bravo5150 wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
magz wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Right now I’m avoiding all children since they usually are chock full of viruses.

That's actually very reasonable of you.

What if all the grownups die from this and just the children are left...
Star Trek episode comes to mind.


Makes me think more of southpark than star trek


Miri Star Trek: The Original Series: Season 1, Episode 8

Kirk and a landing party discover a replica Earth trapped in the year 1960 and inhabited only by children. After learning that a plague has wiped out all the adults, the crew fear that they will become the next victims of the disease.

And we all know that everything on Star Trek comes true. :D


Oh, I don't think I have seen that one. But I went to thinking southpark because of an episode where all the parents got arrested and the kids made up the entire towns population.


I haven't seen that. Might have been inspired by the Star Trek episode. Or Lord of the Flies. Or both.

Favorite line from that Trek episode is, Kirk: "No blah blah blah!". No kidding.



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17 Mar 2020, 2:25 pm

Bravo5150 wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Bravo5150 wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
magz wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Right now I’m avoiding all children since they usually are chock full of viruses.

That's actually very reasonable of you.

What if all the grownups die from this and just the children are left...
Star Trek episode comes to mind.


Makes me think more of southpark than star trek


Miri Star Trek: The Original Series: Season 1, Episode 8

Kirk and a landing party discover a replica Earth trapped in the year 1960 and inhabited only by children. After learning that a plague has wiped out all the adults, the crew fear that they will become the next victims of the disease.

And we all know that everything on Star Trek comes true. :D


Oh, I don't think I have seen that one. But I went to thinking southpark because of an episode where all the parents got arrested and the kids made up the entire towns population.


Stargaze Atlantis has episode where anyone over 25ish is killed to stop enemy from finding them, started thousands years ago to limit population. So it’s a planet if kids.


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17 Mar 2020, 2:33 pm

Day One Under Quarantine

Yesterday President Trump issues guidelines which read in part:
IF YOU ARE AN OLDER PERSON, stay home and away from other people.

I am an older person, therefore I am under voluntary quarantine.

Today, White House Coronavirus Response coordinator Dr. Deborah Birx said that all states should interpret White House guidelines pertaining to the coronavirus outbreak as “rules.” So maybe this is a mandatory quarantine.

Oh Nooooo! I do not know if I can take it any longer. I stayed home today and I think I might be going stir crazy. Normal this is my day for going to the YMCA and swimming a mile, followed by a trip to the movie theater to watch a matinee performance. But I am stuck at home. And this is only day 1. Think of it - it is only day ONE.

Oh! The Stress!

No flour in the store yesterday. I guess I will make my own. I have spelt, an ancient grain that was used before mankind discovered wheat. I will grind that up today to make flour so my wife can make some bread. She make good bread. The best stuff on earth. Bread made out of spelt reminds me of hobbit bread, very hardy good tasting bread.

Maybe I will invent a DIY (do it yourself) face mask. There is a lack of available face mask, so I will invent one. I will call it a sock mask.


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17 Mar 2020, 2:42 pm

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So it’s a planet of kids.


Reminds me of the latest film version of Jules Verne's The Time Machine.


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17 Mar 2020, 2:58 pm

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Maybe I will invent a DIY (do it yourself) face mask. There is a lack of available face mask, so I will invent one. I will call it a sock mask.

Just make sure you don't get the sock for your mask out of your dirty laundry bin.


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17 Mar 2020, 3:00 pm

Life at the epicenter of the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic has been "greatly improving," San Francisco native and Wuhan, China resident Doug Perez said Tuesday.

"Yesterday, for example, we only had one new case of coronavirus — one confirmed case in Wuhan," said Perez. "So, the situation is greatly improving recently. And, we're optimistic that we're almost through it over here."

However, Perez noted that a quarantine is still in effect in Wuhan — as are a lot of restrictions for its residents.

"That being said, we're still dependent on deliveries and the delivery services have been very reliable. Recently we can access even fast-food services via delivery. Everything comes within an hour," he explained.

"So, actually, the situation has been improving a lot and life's starting to return to normal a bit recently. So, we're actually really happy about that," he told Mele. "But, prior to that, it was much worse."

Perez said that going to the grocery store was a constant struggle. But, even when you got there, they wouldn't let people in — experiences that were mentally "very tough" for him.

"My advice would be, of course, to stock up and be safe. Wash your hands," he cautioned. "But, I think if you keep a positive mindset and you focus on making it through it. Not leaving the house — complying with the quarantine. I'm really confident that the U.S. will make it through it."

Source: American resident of Wuhan says life getting back to normal: 'The situation is greatly improving'


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17 Mar 2020, 3:04 pm

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In Israel we are sending the not critically ill to hotels (used as hospitals) the hotels are empty anyway. This was copied from the Saudis!!
Everyone is home so we are having balcony parties, Each family on their own balcony, families talk and sing together, inspired by the Italians! Corona is making some people nicer.
Americans are buying guns? Why?


Nothing wrong with good people owning guns Most gun owners in America are nice people and will give you the shirt off their back as with any group of people you have the bad apples which people focus and base their prejudices off of.(not talking about you)


I don't object to owning guns, I suppose in an economic crisis there would be a rise in crime. It seemed strange to me to see queues of people wanting to buy guns on a medical crisis.


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