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23 Dec 2017, 1:15 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
You're talking about religious and class separation. So again, name one other country with racial colonies and racial apartheid and prove it.


USA

White skin & an English name? $, education, opportunity, high net worth etc

Black/Latino etc? Often poor, uneducated, limited employment opportunities, very low net worth, highest probability of being incarcerated


The systems of racial oppression may not be official documented policy in the USA, but they are most certainly alive and well for all to see.


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23 Dec 2017, 10:24 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
You're talking about religious and class separation. So again, name one other country with racial colonies and racial apartheid and prove it.

Oh c'mon John. I used to live in a muslim country where I got to know (and befriend) Libyans, Somalians, Palestinians, Iraqis, Gulf Arabs and a couple of Saudis and all of them gave insight into pre-islamic racist values that every single Arab speaking culture still carry about blacks as "abedis" whites as "ferengi" and see every other non-Arab as domestic workers. They don't like living next door to such people as surveys indicate Saudi Arabians are the most racist in the world. Being muslim means very little.

A hierarchical caste system applies to all non-native arab speakers, black muslims at the bottom and all other arabs below their own nationals. This is why native Palestinians know they have it good in Israel compared to living in Jordan or the gulf states.



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24 Dec 2017, 8:08 am

Still no evidence. Just anecdotal tripe. Funny you mention the Saudis though as the worst. The US and Israel's best Arab friend.


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24 Dec 2017, 4:42 pm

I'm not saying the Israeli's are being angels, the Israeli IDF could handle the Palestinian issue with more compassion. However you could understand why security forces are so jittery given the track record of neighbouring states like Lebanon, Jordan and Egypt in aiding and abetting Palestinian attacks on Israeli civilians. The state of Israel is a safe haven for Jewish refugees after the great pogrom of WWII, it's perfectly understandable (if not excusable) that many of the settlers carry generations of psychological scars and feel a strong need to define their enemy.



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24 Dec 2017, 4:57 pm

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I'm not saying the Israeli's are being angels, the Israeli IDF could handle the Palestinian issue with more compassion. However you could understand why security forces are so jittery given the track record of neighbouring states like Lebanon, Jordan and Egypt in aiding and abetting Palestinian attacks on Israeli civilians. The state of Israel is a safe haven for Jewish refugees after the great pogrom of WWII, it's perfectly understandable (if not excusable) that many of the settlers carry generations of psychological scars and feel a strong need to define their enemy.


Aww. More compassion, that's sweet. Maybe they could sing a song for Palestinian families that have been burned alive by Israeli settlers. Israel have attacked all of those states. So no wonder they are "jittery". Nonsense. The Zionist movement started in the 1860's, mainly because the chosen race of God didn't want to assimilate with Europeans. How the hell is a Jew in Brooklyn under threat from the Nazis? And what gives them the right to have a Palestinian home bulldozed so they can live there?


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24 Dec 2017, 5:43 pm

Sooo, when does the war start? Is there like a waiting period after a declaration of war before shots are allowed to be fired? Seems like an awful long time of peace since Trump made his remarks about Jerusalem if he did in fact declare war on 1.5B people.


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24 Dec 2017, 6:01 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
The Zionist movement started in the 1860's, mainly because the chosen race of God didn't want to assimilate with Europeans.

Zionism is not universally supported by all Jews.



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25 Dec 2017, 12:32 am

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The idea was actually Bill Clinton's, by the way and is official Democrat party policy. it was approved by the Senate by 90-0.

Given that the Clintons are also corporate shills, I'm not even remotely surprised.


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25 Dec 2017, 9:56 pm

cyberdad wrote:
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The Zionist movement started in the 1860's, mainly because the chosen race of God didn't want to assimilate with Europeans.

Zionism is not universally supported by all Jews.


Pretty much is though. A lot of Jews are against Israel because of their insane actions.


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26 Dec 2017, 2:00 am

JohnPowell wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
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The Zionist movement started in the 1860's, mainly because the chosen race of God didn't want to assimilate with Europeans.

Zionism is not universally supported by all Jews.


Pretty much is though. A lot of Jews are against Israel because of their insane actions.

In time there will be a meeting of minds in the middle ground between moderate Palis and moderate Jews
Zionism will be relegated to an out of date fringe belief



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26 Dec 2017, 11:45 am

Wouldn't have thought so. 95% of Israelis supported Israel's massacre in Gaza in 2014.


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26 Dec 2017, 3:22 pm

Once again, Al Jazeera has made me proud. 8)


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26 Dec 2017, 5:26 pm

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Wouldn't have thought so. 95% of Israelis supported Israel's massacre in Gaza in 2014.

Why the outrage? most Americans supported the war on terror which includes a number of massacres of civilians. It's called collateral damage. As I said before Israel is surrounded by aggressive anti-Jewish states who have tried to eliminate both the state of Israel and it's civilian population.

The creation of the state of Israel is no more legal than the creation of the United States. Native Americans (what's left of them) have accepted their fate, on the other hand Palestinians choose to maintain an armed struggle. What else do you expect the Israelis to do?

On this point I diverge from the general left wing narrative supporting the Palestinian struggle while (apparently) ignoring the plight of millions of indigenous people all over the world who have been deprived of autonomous control of their traditional lands. What's so special about the f*ing Palis?



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26 Dec 2017, 7:52 pm

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Wouldn't have thought so. 95% of Israelis supported Israel's massacre in Gaza in 2014.

Why the outrage? most Americans supported the war on terror which includes a number of massacres of civilians. It's called collateral damage. As I said before Israel is surrounded by aggressive anti-Jewish states who have tried to eliminate both the state of Israel and it's civilian population.

The creation of the state of Israel is no more legal than the creation of the United States. Native Americans (what's left of them) have accepted their fate, on the other hand Palestinians choose to maintain an armed struggle. What else do you expect the Israelis to do?

On this point I diverge from the general left wing narrative supporting the Palestinian struggle while (apparently) ignoring the plight of millions of indigenous people all over the world who have been deprived of autonomous control of their traditional lands. What's so special about the f*ing Palis?


That's cause they're brainwashed, a lot like most of the Israeli population. Brainwashed into hating a fake enemy, not knowing their own government is the real problem. The war of terror was based on a pack of lies. People who think innocent civilians are "collateral damage" are also brainwashed. You need to educate yourself on some history. People always resist against their colonisers and murderers. Jews resisted against the Nazis in the Warsaw ghetto uprising. Israel have attacked all their neighbours, stolen land and mass murdered, that's why people don't like them. Zionist propaganda says they just don't like all that because it's Jews doing it, but one would have to worry deeply about anyone who bought that bulls**t. I'd also worry about anyone sadistic enough who thought that people just roll over and let the murderers/colonisers destroy them. Not everyone is that spineless. Some would rather die on their feet rather than live on their knees. Yeah poor mass murdering colonising Israelis, what else are they meant to do eh!

Imagine you'd swapped "Palis" with "Jews". You're not left wing at all that's why. Shown your true colors.


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26 Dec 2017, 7:54 pm

And actually, a lot of the "left" are too petrified to criticise Israel because they are too petrified of being called anti-Semitic. Not bring called racist is more important than them criticising the only state in the world with a racial apartheid system.


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26 Dec 2017, 8:19 pm

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kokopelli wrote:

Very funny. And completely absurd.

Is there a British Race? A French Race? A German Race? A Canadian Race? An Australian Race? An American Race? An Italian Race? An Egyptian Race? An Israeli Race? ...

Aramaic is actually ancestral to both Jewish Hebrew and Arabic...Jesus (for example) spoke Aramaic not Hebrew


You screwed up the chronology royally.

All three are related (Hebrew, Aramaic, and Arabic). But Aramaic is not ancestral to the other two.

All three are Semitic languages. Akkadian (of ancient Babylon) is also a Semitic language. Almost as ancient as Akkadian was Hebrew (the language of the Old Testament Hebrews). Hebrew had died out long before the dawn of the New Testament.

Hebrew was already an ancient dead language in Jesus' time (what Latin is to us, that's what Hebrew was to Jesus- a language that lived in texts and the province of the scholarly of his time). Jesus spoke Aramaic. Aramaic was the Semitic lingua Franca, and trading language of Syria and Palestine.

Hebrew is the language of the Old Testament. It predated the New Testament. Hebrew is older than Aramaic so Aramaic cannot be the ancestor of the older language.

Aramaic is a younger cousin of Hebrew. Both were older cousins of Arabic. When the Arabs exploded out of the Arabian peninsula in the Eighth century in the years right after Mohammed founded Islam they brought Arabic with them sweeping away the languages of North Africa and the Middle East. Aramaic today only survives in some pockets.