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11 Feb 2018, 10:33 pm

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some people here want to return us to feudal times, and they are winning.


They won't win in the end.

Medieval peasants legally had to stay on their land. The flow of information towards the peasants was controlled by kings, bishops and landlords. Thus, the peasants were vulnerable to religious and xenophobic propaganda. This was true for peasants of both high and low IQs.

Modern poor people have access to online knowledge, which can shatter xenophobic propaganda and teach people how to think internationally. This knowledge will take us places.

Remember: We, the 99%, outnumber the 1%. Once the masses realize how awesome the American Anti-Corruption Act is, they will be unstoppable.

Slavery only oppressed a minority of the American population and it still ended. Given the corruption of American democracy has oppressed the vast majority of the US population, it is ultimately unsustainable.


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11 Feb 2018, 10:36 pm

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Fast food workers and those who are stocking shelves at the local gas station are for those needing a part time job while gaining a valuable skill, those in between jobs, or a second job to clean up debts... Really, if someone is depending on those for a living well into their adult life. They need to take a good hard look at their life and make some changes.


Yeah ... maybe they should stop choosing to be too poor to afford post-secondary education. :roll:


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11 Feb 2018, 10:37 pm

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that is NOT what I said so stop putting in what you thought I said. and if you're living paycheck to paycheck, by definition you are NOT middle-class. only the working class has to cut things close to the bone like that.


They're the ones being financially crippled by the current health insurance system. They're the ones who want/need the current healthcare system replaced. They're the ones who voted for Trump hoping he would fix the healthcare system for them.The people you're talking about are not the ones getting gouged. Excuse me for thinking you were talking about the people who were actually relivant in the equation.


But has Trump come close to fixing the health care problem? All he's done, as far as I can see, is try to suffocate Obamacare so fewer people can have health coverage.


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11 Feb 2018, 10:40 pm

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even sh***y healthcare is better than NONE AT ALL. of course the middle class here in amuuuurica doesn't want the working class to have even sh***y healthcare. we are disposable useless eaters in their eyes, the middle class consider us to be "lazy degenerates." so many smugly arrogant self-righteous bourgeoisie with their cushy high-paying jobs that fell into their laps because they knew the right people in the social networking whirl. the people who were born on third base and thought they hit a triple. :roll:


Those upper middle class types will be singing a different tune when they start sliding down the socio-economic ladder.

they are oblivious to this truth, they are all either arrogantly denying it can happen to them, or they are whistling past the graveyard. none of them understands that all their worldly goods and high station in life can be taken from them. "glory is fleeting."



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11 Feb 2018, 10:41 pm

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Yeah ... maybe they should stop choosing to be too poor to afford post-secondary education. :roll:


It's free for the low income and the poor though various grants. Every college and technical school has a department full of staff to help people attain these grants and loans. If they are working, then their employer may have a reimbursement program. I know McDonald's and Wal-Mart both have a program in place.



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11 Feb 2018, 10:42 pm

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Fast food workers and those who are stocking shelves at the local gas station are for those needing a part time job while gaining a valuable skill, those in between jobs, or a second job to clean up debts... Really, if someone is depending on those for a living well into their adult life. They need to take a good hard look at their life and make some changes.


Yeah ... maybe they should stop choosing to be too poor to afford post-secondary education. :roll:


Maybe, just maybe, business owners should actually pay their workers a living wage, and operate their places of business to actually employ people rather than looking at it as a get rich quick scheme.


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11 Feb 2018, 10:47 pm

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Maybe, just maybe, business owners should actually pay their workers a living wage, and operate their places of business to actually employ people rather than looking at it as a get rich quick scheme.


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Enjoy it, spend it wisely! Seriously, you are paid what you are worth in the market. When you are young and unskilled, income is low. You want more money, you learn a skill or two and get paid more for those skills. Want or need more money? Master those skills and earn more money. Burger flippers shouldn't complain they aren't making enough, they should make their self more valuable. Take action to improve their self rather then sit around complaining. It's much more effective and quicker. More importantly, live within your means.



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11 Feb 2018, 10:48 pm

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whatever. we all can't be your preferred cognitive elites. somebody has to bring up the rear, and it might as well be us "degenerates" as you like to call us. :roll:


Most of those people can not afford health insurance. If their mcjob employer offers a health insurance plan, they have to pay about 300 dollars a month (for one person) for 10 thosand dollar deductible insurance. You can only afford it because you were able to swing a subsidy.



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11 Feb 2018, 10:51 pm

people making less than 400% of poverty get a subsidy unless they are veterans who get zip under the PPACA. this needs to be fixed PRONTO. I don't know who you are trying to fool by saying this is not the situation.



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11 Feb 2018, 10:56 pm

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Maybe, just maybe, business owners should actually pay their workers a living wage, and operate their places of business to actually employ people rather than looking at it as a get rich quick scheme.


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Enjoy it, spend it wisely! Seriously, you are paid what you are worth in the market. When you are young and unskilled, income is low. You want more money, you learn a skill or two and get paid more for those skills. Want or need more money? Master those skills and earn more money. Burger flippers shouldn't complain they aren't making enough, they should make their self more valuable. Take action to improve their self rather then sit around complaining. It's much more effective and quicker. More importantly, live within your means.


Actually "buger flippers" are the ones with unaffordable healthcare plans, unless they're working at some small independently owned burger shop. Most high volume low income low skilled jobs are offered by mega corporations like McDonald's or WalMart. And those employees are the ones with the $300 per month $10,000 deductible health insurance plans. And because of that healthcare dot gov won't give them a better deal.



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11 Feb 2018, 10:58 pm

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Maybe, just maybe, business owners should actually pay their workers a living wage, and operate their places of business to actually employ people rather than looking at it as a get rich quick scheme.


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Enjoy it, spend it wisely! Seriously, you are paid what you are worth in the market. When you are young and unskilled, income is low. You want more money, you learn a skill or two and get paid more for those skills. Want or need more money? Master those skills and earn more money. Burger flippers shouldn't complain they aren't making enough, they should make their self more valuable. Take action to improve their self rather then sit around complaining. It's much more effective and quicker. More importantly, live within your means.


What conservatives and business owners are forgetting is, the more buying power workers have - even burger flippers - the more products they can buy, thus spurring on the economy even more so. It's an investment. But no one's ever accused American business of long term planning.


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11 Feb 2018, 11:06 pm

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people making less than 400% of poverty get a subsidy unless they are veterans who get zip under the PPACA. this needs to be fixed PRONTO. I don't know who you are trying to fool by saying this is not the situation.


Most working class people get paid more than that. Too much for a subsidy and not enough to afford $300 a month plus medical expenses up to $10,000 per year. The only thing they're getting is catastrophic health insurance. Like you better get a brain tumor for this to be worth it.



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11 Feb 2018, 11:12 pm

I don't know what world you're living in where "most working class people get paid more than that." it is not my world or my corner of it, that is for sure. if you make more than 400% of poverty, per various metrics, you are MIDDLE CLASS. the nub of all the controversy over PPACA is that the middle class had to give a little to insure that the working class could get primary health care they could afford at all. what not enough people realize, is that it is the upper class that historically played the working class against the middle class, while laughing up their sleeves all the way to the bank.



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11 Feb 2018, 11:41 pm

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I don't know what world you're living in where "most working class people get paid more than that." it is not my world or my corner of it, that is for sure. if you make more than 400% of poverty, per various metrics, you are MIDDLE CLASS. the nub of all the controversy over PPACA is that the middle class had to give a little to insure that the working class could get primary health care they could afford at all. what not enough people realize, is that it is the upper class that historically played the working class against the middle class, while laughing up their sleeves all the way to the bank.


My aunt works for a service industry that employs millions. They like most mega corporations offer a sh***y health insurance plan. Since that's supposedly affordable insurance, healthcare dot gov will only simply match it.

The same goes for the aspie in his 50's I know who works as a security guard. He's in the same boat as my aunt. And the security industry also employs millions.

That's where I get my info from. Current real life experiences of working class people, that's obviously not a part of whatever world you live in.



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11 Feb 2018, 11:48 pm

I'm glad that some of you guys can maintain your composure well enough to argue.
There are a lot of things I'd like to say about just what I've seen in the last few pages of this thread, but for a lot of reasons just can't.



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11 Feb 2018, 11:59 pm

^^^please PM me with what is bugging you about this. I will listen.