Off topic big time:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Bin Laden was just the fall guy. Al Qaeda were involved it isn't this organised network that the US lied about. They couldn't have operated and achieved what they did without help from US intelligence and others and they had funding from Saudi Arabia (the US's good ally) and 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis. The 'official' version of events could be torn to shreds by a 3 year old child. The lies afterwards in the lead up to Iraq continued with fakers dressing up as Al Qaeda and making scary videos, the anthrax hoaxes, ricin etc.
The plot came from the early 90's and something lesser was tried in 1993 where the FBI were aware the bomb was being made and let it happen.
It could be that Bin Laden was the perfect choice to be the fall guy and given his family connections, volunteered to have the target on his back. It's a diversion with enough resources to give the US a run for their money, occupied while the bigger wheels keep turning. He did escape capture for a long time, if it were not for technology today, he may have lasted a lot longer.
I haven't read all the thread, do you think 911 was an inside job?
Maybe Bin Laden had had help from the Saudis and Pakistan; that I can believe. But Bin Laden was not any sort of fall guy but the perpetrator. Many people with an Anti-American axe to grind say that Bush Jr himself was responsible for the attack in order to justify a war in the Middle East. But this argument is sheer fantasy, as the attack was overkill when he could have made that move much, much easier without the American deaths.
This is coming from a liberal who used to despise Bush Jr as the worst President in American history... until now.
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On the surface it seemed that the federal government, under both the Clinton and Bush administrations, was asleep at the wheel – very much the way the Bush administration was when Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans.
Bush claimed we’d bring back Osama bin Laden “dead or alive.”
But the more we learn about the ties between the Bush family and the bin Ladens, questions like this one pop up: Did Bush really want to capture him?
With fewer than 50 ground troops surrounding the massive Tora Bora region in the mountains of Afghanistan where bin Laden was hiding, ground commanders pleaded for 800 more soldiers, according to Gary Berntsen, the CIA field commander whose book “Jawbreaker” goes into amazing detail about the botched paramilitary operation. Bernt-
sen and other ground commanders said the U.S. let Osama bin Laden get away.
Was this because of President George Bush’s close ties to the bin Laden family?
In 1978, Bush and Osama bin Laden’s brother, Salem bin Laden, founded Arbusto Energy, an oil company based in Texas.
Several bin Laden family members invested millions in The Carlyle Group, a private global equity firm based in Washington, DC. The company’s senior advisor was Bush’s father, former President George H.W. Bush. After news of the bin Laden-Bush connection became public, the elder Bush stepped down from Carlyle.
Interestingly, on Sept. 11, 2001, members of the Carlyle Group – including Bush senior, and his former secretary of state, James Baker – were meeting at the Ritz Carlton Hotel in Washington, D.C., along with Shafiq bin Laden, another one of Osama bin Laden’s brothers.
While all flights were halted following the terrorist attacks, there was one exception made: The White House authorized planes to pick up 140 Saudi nationals, including 24 members of the bin Laden family, living in various cities in the U.S. to bring them back to Saudi Arabia, where they would be safe. They were never interrogated
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Marvin Bush was reelected to the Stratesec board of directors annually from 1993 through 1999. His last reelection was on May 25, 1999, for July 1999 to June 2000.
The company described itself this way: "Stratesec, Incorporated, is a fully integrated single source security systems company. The company provides consulting and planning, engineering and design, systems integration, and maintenance and technical support services to commercial and government clients worldwide. Stratesec has completed security projects for airports, corporations, utilities, prisons, universities, and federal, state and local governments."
When Securacom went public on September 11, 1997, its prospectus for the Initial Public Offering prominently featured photographs of its clients the World Trade Center and Dulles airport, with a client list that included United Airlines and Los Alamos National Laboratories.
While on the board, Marvin Bush served on the company's Audit Committee and Compensation Committee. He acquired 53,000 shares of stock in the company at 52 cents a share, partly through his private company, Andrews-Bush, located in northern Virginia. Shares in the 1997 initial offering sold at $8.50.
Company stock became worthless after the company's de-listing. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) filings ceased showing Marvin Bush as a shareholder after 2000, but there are no filings indicating when his stock was sold. Bush, whose investment firm still backs other contractors at the Dulles and Reagan airports, has not responded to requests for comment.
One of Stratesec's biggest security contracts was with the Metropolitan Washington Airport Authority, to provide electronic security for Dulles and Reagan airports. The company got its first preventive-maintenance contract with Dulles airport in 1995 and received about $6.3 million in revenue from the Dulles project between 1995 and 1998.
Stratesec did not handle passenger screening at Dulles, where one of the 9/11 jets was hijacked. According to Dave Swennes, a contracting official for the Metropolitan Washington Airport Authority, its three-year contract was for maintenance of security systems. The company maintained the airfield access system, the closed circuit television system and electronic badging.
Given the security sensitivities of Dulles airport, there are ironies in having some of its electronic security handled by a company with Middle East ties. After completing its three-year contract with Dulles, the company bid on a new contract but lost out in spite of being the lowest bidder.
TIES TO THE TWIN TOWERS—Securacom, beginning with its previous incarnation, Stratesec, unlike many other security firms, did not separate security consulting from providing security services. As a single-source provider of end-to-end security services, it offered everything from a diagnosis of existing systems, to hiring subcontractors, and to installing video and electronic equipment. It also offered armored vehicles and security guards.
The company emphasized continuing relationships with a few big long-term clients, including the World Trade Center, home to the Twin Towers. According to SEC filings, the World Trade Center and the Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority, were two of the company's three biggest clients in 1996 and 1997.
After the first attack on the World Trade Center, in 1993, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey began a multimillion-dollar, multiyear revamping of security in and around the Twin Towers. As Burns and Roe Securacom, the company had previously done security studies on the World Trade Center. Securacom was hired along with many other contractors for the upgrade and was praised in security industry publications, although the board membership of former President Bush's son Marvin went unnoticed.
NO COMMENT—Marvin Bush had joined Securacom's board of directors in 1993, part of a new management team hired when Securacom separated from Burns and Roe, and he remained on the board through 1999.
The White House has not responded to repeated questions and requests for comment about Marvin Bush's relationship with Securacom. (Wirt Walker and other former management figures were interviewed by phone.)
Unfortunately when you mention the words “9/11 conspiracy theory” or conspiracy theories in general what comes to mind are loons who believe Reptilian alien elites did it believe that Sandy Hook was a false flag done by gun grabbers. In this case there are plausible reasons to suspect the a nefarious conspiracy both in motives and because of the ties.
If you dismiss the 9/11 conspiracies theories you can say no evidence has been proven. Supporters of 9/11 conspiracy theories cannot refute this. It is a catch 22 if there is something real to prove it won’t be proven to the satisfaction of most if it is never investigated by anybody outside of the fringe.
In my view there are three main reasons the “9/11 truth movement” never became more then a cult.
1. As mentioned above the loons are the loudest proponents
2. As cynical as most Americans for some reason beyond my understanding they do not believe the government would go “that far”
3. The Bush haters believe Bush is too dumb to pull something like that off. It goes to a basic world view common in progressive circles about conservatives intellectual inferiority. What I am too dumb to understand is why they think he is both nefarious enough and smart enough to pull off “Bush Lied, and people died” but not a 9/11 conspiracy.
I rarely talk about it much because at this point the “9/11 Truth Movement” is a lost cause. If it was ever a winnable cause that chance ended as soon as Bush left office.
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