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11 Dec 2021, 5:21 pm

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Nades wrote:
But very rarely.

Current studies show up to 66% of Covid survivors will have lingering symptoms.


It's hard to know what to believe anymore. I've had the sense recently that even trusted academics will say anything to over exaggerate the dangers and there seems to be constant contradictions even within the scientific community.

As far as I'm concerned though, the pandemic is over.


When did we change the topic to "Climate Change"? :scratch: <joke> :mrgreen:



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11 Dec 2021, 5:23 pm

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If the Omicron variant turns out to be heavily transmissible, yet mild, that would be good. Maybe a sign that COVID will become like a seasonal flu.

The research shows that vaccines confer SOME protection against Omicron. Better protection if boostered. Still not enough, though.

The Pandemic is not over. Too many people in hospitals. Too many people dying.


At what point do we reach the threshold of "too many"? :scratch: <joke> :mrgreen:



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11 Dec 2021, 5:25 pm

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If the Omicron variant turns out to be heavily transmissible, yet mild, that would be good. Maybe a sign that COVID will become like a seasonal flu.


This is probably the case but government will never admit this and scientists will quietly silence other academics who believe it poses less of a danger.


Again with the climate change debate.
People, please get back on topic! :evil: <joke> :mrgreen:



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11 Dec 2021, 5:28 pm

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Most reported U.S. Omicron cases have hit the fully vaccinated -CDC
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Most of the 43 COVID-19 cases caused by the Omicron variant identified in the United States so far were in people who were fully vaccinated, and a third of them had received a booster dose, according to a U.S. report published on Friday.

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said that of the 43 cases attributed to Omicron variant, 34 people had been fully vaccinated. Fourteen of them had also received a booster, although five of those cases occurred less than 14 days after the additional shot before full protection kicks in.

While the numbers are very small, they add to growing concerns that current COVID-19 vaccines may offer less protection against the highly transmissible new variant.

The Omicron variant of the coronavirus has been found through testing in about 22 states so far after first being identified in southern Africa and Hong Kong in late November.

Among the Omicron cases, 25 were in people aged 18 to 39 and 14 had traveled internationally. Six people had previously been infected with the coronavirus.

Most of them only had mild symptoms such as coughing, congestion, and fatigue, the report said, and one person was hospitalized for two days. Other symptoms reported less frequently including nausea or vomiting, shortness of breath or difficulty breathing, diarrhea and loss of taste or smell.

The CDC said that while many of the first reported Omicron cases appear to be mild, a lag exists between infection and more severe outcomes


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11 Dec 2021, 10:24 pm

Nades wrote:
It's hard to know what to believe anymore. I've had the sense recently that even trusted academics will say anything to over exaggerate the dangers and there seems to be constant contradictions even within the scientific community.

As far as I'm concerned though, the pandemic is over.

I'm in the support groups, I'm in the trenches, and things are bad. They have to keep bringing in more mods because of all the new people who keep joining.
Not to mention the people who don't join...lots of members mentioning that their spouses and children are also Long Haulers. Men, especially, are less likely to sign up, because of pride.

I think the saddest part is to see how depressed new members are when they find out that the "Long Haul" isn't just a few months like the media is reporting. A lot of us are at 21+ months and still suffering without answers.

Admins are trying to figure out ways to add more support for mental health and suicide prevention, because this really isn't a place you want to be.


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12 Dec 2021, 12:47 am

SabbraCadabra wrote:
Nades wrote:
It's hard to know what to believe anymore. I've had the sense recently that even trusted academics will say anything to over exaggerate the dangers and there seems to be constant contradictions even within the scientific community.

As far as I'm concerned though, the pandemic is over.

I'm in the support groups, I'm in the trenches, and things are bad. They have to keep bringing in more mods because of all the new people who keep joining.
Not to mention the people who don't join...lots of members mentioning that their spouses and children are also Long Haulers. Men, especially, are less likely to sign up, because of pride.

I think the saddest part is to see how depressed new members are when they find out that the "Long Haul" isn't just a few months like the media is reporting. A lot of us are at 21+ months and still suffering without answers.

Admins are trying to figure out ways to add more support for mental health and suicide prevention, because this really isn't a place you want to be.


Pandemic over? Tell that to the loved ones of the over 1,000 people dying a day in America. The only place the pandemic is over is in peoples minds likely beccause of pandemic fatigue.


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12 Dec 2021, 3:28 am

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Pandemic over? Tell that to the loved ones of the over 1,000 people dying a day in America. The only place the pandemic is over is in peoples minds likely because of pandemic fatigue.

Even in UK, there are more than 100 covid deaths a day and new cases are growing. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/ Based on previous waves, with the level of daily new infections in UK, it would have been about 10 times more deaths if they weren't one of the most vaccinated nations.

I can get that government propaganda is confusing - scientists never know everything without long research but officials pretend they do. As scientists gather more knowledge and learn some previous ideas were wrong, older opinions still linger especially that officials avoid admitting they were wrong...
I tend to look at raw data. Pandemics is a worldwide thing and it's far away from over. We need to work ways to live with it long-term.
I find washing hands and wearing a mask in stores pretty low cost on my daily life.


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12 Dec 2021, 5:40 am

Let’s hope that Omicron is truly a mild strain.



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12 Dec 2021, 5:45 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
SabbraCadabra wrote:
Nades wrote:
It's hard to know what to believe anymore. I've had the sense recently that even trusted academics will say anything to over exaggerate the dangers and there seems to be constant contradictions even within the scientific community.

As far as I'm concerned though, the pandemic is over.

I'm in the support groups, I'm in the trenches, and things are bad. They have to keep bringing in more mods because of all the new people who keep joining.
Not to mention the people who don't join...lots of members mentioning that their spouses and children are also Long Haulers. Men, especially, are less likely to sign up, because of pride.

I think the saddest part is to see how depressed new members are when they find out that the "Long Haul" isn't just a few months like the media is reporting. A lot of us are at 21+ months and still suffering without answers.

Admins are trying to figure out ways to add more support for mental health and suicide prevention, because this really isn't a place you want to be.


Pandemic over? Tell that to the loved ones of the over 1,000 people dying a day in America. The only place the pandemic is over is in peoples minds likely beccause of pandemic fatigue.


In the UK at least, all that can be done has been done and the deaths will have to be tolerated.

Everyone who isn't vulnerable are fed up of being told what to do when it's clear the virus is here to stay and stopping it's spread is like trying to stop the invention of the wheel.

I'll gladly tell that to the loved ones who have died too. "tell the loved ones" seems to be the go to retort against anyone who is actually being realistic about the futility of controlling it's spread.

I've had my vaccines (might not get the booster) along with millions of other non vulnerable and still nothing has changed.



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12 Dec 2021, 5:46 am

The problem with that: who knows who is actually vulnerable?



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12 Dec 2021, 5:58 am

Pepe wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
If the Omicron variant turns out to be heavily transmissible, yet mild, that would be good. Maybe a sign that COVID will become like a seasonal flu.

The research shows that vaccines confer SOME protection against Omicron. Better protection if boostered. Still not enough, though.

The Pandemic is not over. Too many people in hospitals. Too many people dying.


At what point do we reach the threshold of "too many"? :scratch: <joke> :mrgreen:


That's million dollar question...or shall I say billion due to the lockdowns intended to save lives.

At what point is the number of deaths acceptable? Some are aiming for zero and they don't care about the cost. Others want to let it run rampant. Either way it's going to run rampant regardless.

I'm more of the short, sharp shock type of person.



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12 Dec 2021, 6:05 am

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The problem with that: who knows who is actually vulnerable?


It's luck of the draw but broadly speaking the vulnerable people should be obvious. The elderly and others with diabetes, heart problems ect.

While the young and healthy can die, this is extremely rare and not worth considering. The young are better focusing their efforts on something that is actually far more likely to kill them like obesity, drug usage, alcohol and car accidents.



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12 Dec 2021, 10:03 am

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The problem with that: who knows who is actually vulnerable?


This isn't two years ago Kraftie, over 270 million confirmed cases and likely over a Billion people infected, we have the data on this.



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12 Dec 2021, 10:42 am

Been a while since my last visit, hope everybody is keeping well.

Latest official UK figures (Oct/Nov) show over 50% Covid cases on ICU are now vaccinated. Around 66% in hospital for Covid treatment, vaccinated.

An actor dressed up as Santa for a TV advert encouraging people to get boosters claimed on the most watched breakfast show that 90% of people in hospital for Covid were unvaxxed, which went unchallenged. A TV doctor also told the same lie.



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12 Dec 2021, 4:04 pm

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Been a while since my last visit, hope everybody is keeping well.

Latest official UK figures (Oct/Nov) show over 50% Covid cases on ICU are now vaccinated. Around 66% in hospital for Covid treatment, vaccinated.

An actor dressed up as Santa for a TV advert encouraging people to get boosters claimed on the most watched breakfast show that 90% of people in hospital for Covid were unvaxxed, which went unchallenged. A TV doctor also told the same lie.


We got to keep the pharmaceutical companies happy and keep on buying their products. 8)



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12 Dec 2021, 4:12 pm

COVID is a very random thing. I know old people with underlying conditions who got off scot-free. I know relatively young, healthy people who got pneumonia from COVID.