Kraichgauer
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13 Mar 2022, 12:26 am
13 Mar 2022, 1:02 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Skunk of the southern continent -
So called respecting the rights of the parents easily can go overboard when history is "whitewashed" so little Dick and Jane aren't taught what had actually occurred in America's past. Surprise, surprise, the majority, which is white in this country, hasn't always behaved particularly well in regard to non-whites. I could care less if that offends white parents; it happened, so it must be taught.
In regard to the "Don't say gay" bill: that's been promoted by homophobic parents who think teaching their children about homosexuality or transgenderism will turn their kids gay or trans, or will make then (gulp) be tolerant toward them. Gay and trans people aren't going anywhere, and ignoring or even denying their existence, as those particular parents want, won't make them disappear.
This is exactly like parents that had tried to keep the teaching of evolution out of schools in favor of creationism.
So called respecting the rights of the parents easily can go overboard when history is "whitewashed" so little Dick and Jane aren't taught what had actually occurred in America's past. Surprise, surprise, the majority, which is white in this country, hasn't always behaved particularly well in regard to non-whites. I could care less if that offends white parents; it happened, so it must be taught.
In regard to the "Don't say gay" bill: that's been promoted by homophobic parents who think teaching their children about homosexuality or transgenderism will turn their kids gay or trans, or will make then (gulp) be tolerant toward them. Gay and trans people aren't going anywhere, and ignoring or even denying their existence, as those particular parents want, won't make them disappear.
This is exactly like parents that had tried to keep the teaching of evolution out of schools in favor of creationism.
Kraichgauer of the progressive side of politics:
The brain of a child needs to develop to a certain point before it has significant reasonability.
Indoctrination by teachers is overstepping the boundary of their responsibility.
It is the parent's responsibility to determine the direction of their children's moral positioning.
Teachers should teach, not usurp parental obligation in regard to other people's children.
You have a daughter.
If a religiously inclined teacher were to brainwash your child into thinking homosexuality was an evil sin that is punishable with eternal damnation in hell, would you be happy with that?
Kraichgauer
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13 Mar 2022, 2:36 am
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Skunk of the southern continent -
So called respecting the rights of the parents easily can go overboard when history is "whitewashed" so little Dick and Jane aren't taught what had actually occurred in America's past. Surprise, surprise, the majority, which is white in this country, hasn't always behaved particularly well in regard to non-whites. I could care less if that offends white parents; it happened, so it must be taught.
In regard to the "Don't say gay" bill: that's been promoted by homophobic parents who think teaching their children about homosexuality or transgenderism will turn their kids gay or trans, or will make then (gulp) be tolerant toward them. Gay and trans people aren't going anywhere, and ignoring or even denying their existence, as those particular parents want, won't make them disappear.
This is exactly like parents that had tried to keep the teaching of evolution out of schools in favor of creationism.
So called respecting the rights of the parents easily can go overboard when history is "whitewashed" so little Dick and Jane aren't taught what had actually occurred in America's past. Surprise, surprise, the majority, which is white in this country, hasn't always behaved particularly well in regard to non-whites. I could care less if that offends white parents; it happened, so it must be taught.
In regard to the "Don't say gay" bill: that's been promoted by homophobic parents who think teaching their children about homosexuality or transgenderism will turn their kids gay or trans, or will make then (gulp) be tolerant toward them. Gay and trans people aren't going anywhere, and ignoring or even denying their existence, as those particular parents want, won't make them disappear.
This is exactly like parents that had tried to keep the teaching of evolution out of schools in favor of creationism.
Kraichgauer of the progressive side of politics:
The brain of a child needs to develop to a certain point before it has significant reasonability.
Indoctrination by teachers is overstepping the boundary of their responsibility.
It is the parent's responsibility to determine the direction of their children's moral positioning.
Teachers should teach, not usurp parental obligation in regard to other people's children.
You have a daughter.
If a religiously inclined teacher were to brainwash your child into thinking homosexuality was an evil sin that is punishable with eternal damnation in hell, would you be happy with that?
No, I wouldn't want a teacher to teach my daughter such a thing, and I doubt much of anyone in my neck of the woods would either. The LGBTQ community are American citizens worthy of respect, and that's exactly what I want my daughter to learn.
Teaching kids a whitewashed American history, devoid of the truth about racism, is also not only brainwashing, but is presenting a false history. History isn't supposed to make you feel good, it's supposed to tell you the unvarnished facts.
13 Mar 2022, 3:33 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Skunk of the southern continent -
So called respecting the rights of the parents easily can go overboard when history is "whitewashed" so little Dick and Jane aren't taught what had actually occurred in America's past. Surprise, surprise, the majority, which is white in this country, hasn't always behaved particularly well in regard to non-whites. I could care less if that offends white parents; it happened, so it must be taught.
In regard to the "Don't say gay" bill: that's been promoted by homophobic parents who think teaching their children about homosexuality or transgenderism will turn their kids gay or trans, or will make then (gulp) be tolerant toward them. Gay and trans people aren't going anywhere, and ignoring or even denying their existence, as those particular parents want, won't make them disappear.
This is exactly like parents that had tried to keep the teaching of evolution out of schools in favor of creationism.
So called respecting the rights of the parents easily can go overboard when history is "whitewashed" so little Dick and Jane aren't taught what had actually occurred in America's past. Surprise, surprise, the majority, which is white in this country, hasn't always behaved particularly well in regard to non-whites. I could care less if that offends white parents; it happened, so it must be taught.
In regard to the "Don't say gay" bill: that's been promoted by homophobic parents who think teaching their children about homosexuality or transgenderism will turn their kids gay or trans, or will make then (gulp) be tolerant toward them. Gay and trans people aren't going anywhere, and ignoring or even denying their existence, as those particular parents want, won't make them disappear.
This is exactly like parents that had tried to keep the teaching of evolution out of schools in favor of creationism.
Kraichgauer of the progressive side of politics:
The brain of a child needs to develop to a certain point before it has significant reasonability.
Indoctrination by teachers is overstepping the boundary of their responsibility.
It is the parent's responsibility to determine the direction of their children's moral positioning.
Teachers should teach, not usurp parental obligation in regard to other people's children.
You have a daughter.
If a religiously inclined teacher were to brainwash your child into thinking homosexuality was an evil sin that is punishable with eternal damnation in hell, would you be happy with that?
No, I wouldn't want a teacher to teach my daughter such a thing, and I doubt much of anyone in my neck of the woods would either. The LGBTQ community are American citizens worthy of respect, and that's exactly what I want my daughter to learn.
Teaching kids a whitewashed American history, devoid of the truth about racism, is also not only brainwashing, but is presenting a false history. History isn't supposed to make you feel good, it's supposed to tell you the unvarnished facts.
Why are you bringing in CRT?
We were talking about Desantis having a problem with sex education for inappropriately young children.
13 Mar 2022, 3:48 am
13 Mar 2022, 4:01 am
Pepe wrote:
Desantis is known for respecting the rights of parents.
This is the message coming through to me.
If you think this is a bad thing, then so be it, my friend.
This is the message coming through to me.
If you think this is a bad thing, then so be it, my friend.
This "rights of parents" thing gets used to cover a lot of political garbage that has been sold to parents, and isn't originating with them. And even when concern originates with parents, they are not always concerns that should be respected. I AM a parent. My kids aren't that many years past their public school educations. I was the parent who went to board meetings, joined the PTA, raised hundreds of thousands of dollars to enrich the students' education; the whole nine yards. So I believe I actually do understand public education in the USA and how parents and educators interact. The thing is, there are a LOT of things which the educators really do, honestly and truly, know better than the parents. The job of public educator is to prepare students for society, not to mold them to the vision of a parent. Parents have ample opportunity at home to teach their own values to their children. Schools and parents should be partners in the education of students, and they have to work together respectfully. Unfortunately, when I see chants of "parent rights" it tends to be about FORCING educators to take positions the educators know are factually incorrect or historically corrosive to society. I never met an educator who wasn't willing to listen to and work with the parents, but it has to be a two way street, and educators deserve respect. What we have in this country right now, however, is an effort to pull the rug out from under educators under false pretenses, and they receive little to no respect in pay or treatment. In many ways, here in the USA, "parents rights" is more like a code word for "destroy public education," or "keep kids from learning how to think for themselves."
Kraichgauer
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13 Mar 2022, 4:16 am
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Skunk of the southern continent -
So called respecting the rights of the parents easily can go overboard when history is "whitewashed" so little Dick and Jane aren't taught what had actually occurred in America's past. Surprise, surprise, the majority, which is white in this country, hasn't always behaved particularly well in regard to non-whites. I could care less if that offends white parents; it happened, so it must be taught.
In regard to the "Don't say gay" bill: that's been promoted by homophobic parents who think teaching their children about homosexuality or transgenderism will turn their kids gay or trans, or will make then (gulp) be tolerant toward them. Gay and trans people aren't going anywhere, and ignoring or even denying their existence, as those particular parents want, won't make them disappear.
This is exactly like parents that had tried to keep the teaching of evolution out of schools in favor of creationism.
So called respecting the rights of the parents easily can go overboard when history is "whitewashed" so little Dick and Jane aren't taught what had actually occurred in America's past. Surprise, surprise, the majority, which is white in this country, hasn't always behaved particularly well in regard to non-whites. I could care less if that offends white parents; it happened, so it must be taught.
In regard to the "Don't say gay" bill: that's been promoted by homophobic parents who think teaching their children about homosexuality or transgenderism will turn their kids gay or trans, or will make then (gulp) be tolerant toward them. Gay and trans people aren't going anywhere, and ignoring or even denying their existence, as those particular parents want, won't make them disappear.
This is exactly like parents that had tried to keep the teaching of evolution out of schools in favor of creationism.
Kraichgauer of the progressive side of politics:
The brain of a child needs to develop to a certain point before it has significant reasonability.
Indoctrination by teachers is overstepping the boundary of their responsibility.
It is the parent's responsibility to determine the direction of their children's moral positioning.
Teachers should teach, not usurp parental obligation in regard to other people's children.
You have a daughter.
If a religiously inclined teacher were to brainwash your child into thinking homosexuality was an evil sin that is punishable with eternal damnation in hell, would you be happy with that?
No, I wouldn't want a teacher to teach my daughter such a thing, and I doubt much of anyone in my neck of the woods would either. The LGBTQ community are American citizens worthy of respect, and that's exactly what I want my daughter to learn.
Teaching kids a whitewashed American history, devoid of the truth about racism, is also not only brainwashing, but is presenting a false history. History isn't supposed to make you feel good, it's supposed to tell you the unvarnished facts.
Why are you bringing in CRT?
We were talking about Desantis having a problem with sex education for inappropriately young children.
Because DeSatan had signed a bill in Florida against teaching what he and the right refers to as CRT (what they're actually promoting is the white victimhood myth and the pushback against civil rights gains), along with the "Don't Say Gay" bill. Both are right wing wet dreams.
Kraichgauer
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13 Mar 2022, 4:17 am
DW_a_mom wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Desantis is known for respecting the rights of parents.
This is the message coming through to me.
If you think this is a bad thing, then so be it, my friend.
This is the message coming through to me.
If you think this is a bad thing, then so be it, my friend.
This "rights of parents" thing gets used to cover a lot of political garbage that has been sold to parents, and isn't originating with them. And even when concern originates with parents, they are not always concerns that should be respected. I AM a parent. My kids aren't that many years past their public school educations. I was the parent who went to board meetings, joined the PTA, raised hundreds of thousands of dollars to enrich the students' education; the whole nine yards. So I believe I actually do understand public education in the USA and how parents and educators interact. The thing is, there are a LOT of things which the educators really do, honestly and truly, know better than the parents. The job of public educator is to prepare students for society, not to mold them to the vision of a parent. Parents have ample opportunity at home to teach their own values to their children. Schools and parents should be partners in the education of students, and they have to work together respectfully. Unfortunately, when I see chants of "parent rights" it tends to be about FORCING educators to take positions the educators know are factually incorrect or historically corrosive to society. I never met an educator who wasn't willing to listen to and work with the parents, but it has to be a two way street, and educators deserve respect. What we have in this country right now, however, is an effort to pull the rug out from under educators under false pretenses, and they receive little to no respect in pay or treatment. In many ways, here in the USA, "parents rights" is more like a code word for "destroy public education," or "keep kids from learning how to think for themselves."
Very well said.
13 Mar 2022, 4:26 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Very well said.
Hardly.
It is more than a little out of touch when you consider the two recent elections where the democrats suffered greatly because parents voted against teacher indoctrination.
One election was won by the republicans, and the other nearly won.
It was the *voters* who spoke *LOUDLY*
13 Mar 2022, 4:28 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Skunk of the southern continent -
So called respecting the rights of the parents easily can go overboard when history is "whitewashed" so little Dick and Jane aren't taught what had actually occurred in America's past. Surprise, surprise, the majority, which is white in this country, hasn't always behaved particularly well in regard to non-whites. I could care less if that offends white parents; it happened, so it must be taught.
In regard to the "Don't say gay" bill: that's been promoted by homophobic parents who think teaching their children about homosexuality or transgenderism will turn their kids gay or trans, or will make then (gulp) be tolerant toward them. Gay and trans people aren't going anywhere, and ignoring or even denying their existence, as those particular parents want, won't make them disappear.
This is exactly like parents that had tried to keep the teaching of evolution out of schools in favor of creationism.
So called respecting the rights of the parents easily can go overboard when history is "whitewashed" so little Dick and Jane aren't taught what had actually occurred in America's past. Surprise, surprise, the majority, which is white in this country, hasn't always behaved particularly well in regard to non-whites. I could care less if that offends white parents; it happened, so it must be taught.
In regard to the "Don't say gay" bill: that's been promoted by homophobic parents who think teaching their children about homosexuality or transgenderism will turn their kids gay or trans, or will make then (gulp) be tolerant toward them. Gay and trans people aren't going anywhere, and ignoring or even denying their existence, as those particular parents want, won't make them disappear.
This is exactly like parents that had tried to keep the teaching of evolution out of schools in favor of creationism.
Kraichgauer of the progressive side of politics:
The brain of a child needs to develop to a certain point before it has significant reasonability.
Indoctrination by teachers is overstepping the boundary of their responsibility.
It is the parent's responsibility to determine the direction of their children's moral positioning.
Teachers should teach, not usurp parental obligation in regard to other people's children.
You have a daughter.
If a religiously inclined teacher were to brainwash your child into thinking homosexuality was an evil sin that is punishable with eternal damnation in hell, would you be happy with that?
No, I wouldn't want a teacher to teach my daughter such a thing, and I doubt much of anyone in my neck of the woods would either. The LGBTQ community are American citizens worthy of respect, and that's exactly what I want my daughter to learn.
Teaching kids a whitewashed American history, devoid of the truth about racism, is also not only brainwashing, but is presenting a false history. History isn't supposed to make you feel good, it's supposed to tell you the unvarnished facts.
Why are you bringing in CRT?
We were talking about Desantis having a problem with sex education for inappropriately young children.
Because DeSatan had signed a bill in Florida against teaching what he and the right refers to as CRT (what they're actually promoting is the white victimhood myth and the pushback against civil rights gains), along with the "Don't Say Gay" bill. Both are right wing wet dreams.
Look at me.
Focus.
"Read my lips."
I wasn't talking about CRT.
13 Mar 2022, 5:13 am
Kraichgauer
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13 Mar 2022, 6:52 am
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Skunk of the southern continent -
So called respecting the rights of the parents easily can go overboard when history is "whitewashed" so little Dick and Jane aren't taught what had actually occurred in America's past. Surprise, surprise, the majority, which is white in this country, hasn't always behaved particularly well in regard to non-whites. I could care less if that offends white parents; it happened, so it must be taught.
In regard to the "Don't say gay" bill: that's been promoted by homophobic parents who think teaching their children about homosexuality or transgenderism will turn their kids gay or trans, or will make then (gulp) be tolerant toward them. Gay and trans people aren't going anywhere, and ignoring or even denying their existence, as those particular parents want, won't make them disappear.
This is exactly like parents that had tried to keep the teaching of evolution out of schools in favor of creationism.
So called respecting the rights of the parents easily can go overboard when history is "whitewashed" so little Dick and Jane aren't taught what had actually occurred in America's past. Surprise, surprise, the majority, which is white in this country, hasn't always behaved particularly well in regard to non-whites. I could care less if that offends white parents; it happened, so it must be taught.
In regard to the "Don't say gay" bill: that's been promoted by homophobic parents who think teaching their children about homosexuality or transgenderism will turn their kids gay or trans, or will make then (gulp) be tolerant toward them. Gay and trans people aren't going anywhere, and ignoring or even denying their existence, as those particular parents want, won't make them disappear.
This is exactly like parents that had tried to keep the teaching of evolution out of schools in favor of creationism.
Kraichgauer of the progressive side of politics:
The brain of a child needs to develop to a certain point before it has significant reasonability.
Indoctrination by teachers is overstepping the boundary of their responsibility.
It is the parent's responsibility to determine the direction of their children's moral positioning.
Teachers should teach, not usurp parental obligation in regard to other people's children.
You have a daughter.
If a religiously inclined teacher were to brainwash your child into thinking homosexuality was an evil sin that is punishable with eternal damnation in hell, would you be happy with that?
No, I wouldn't want a teacher to teach my daughter such a thing, and I doubt much of anyone in my neck of the woods would either. The LGBTQ community are American citizens worthy of respect, and that's exactly what I want my daughter to learn.
Teaching kids a whitewashed American history, devoid of the truth about racism, is also not only brainwashing, but is presenting a false history. History isn't supposed to make you feel good, it's supposed to tell you the unvarnished facts.
Why are you bringing in CRT?
We were talking about Desantis having a problem with sex education for inappropriately young children.
Because DeSatan had signed a bill in Florida against teaching what he and the right refers to as CRT (what they're actually promoting is the white victimhood myth and the pushback against civil rights gains), along with the "Don't Say Gay" bill. Both are right wing wet dreams.
Look at me.
Focus.
"Read my lips."
I wasn't talking about CRT.
But I am.
Kraichgauer
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13 Mar 2022, 6:54 am
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Very well said.
Hardly.
It is more than a little out of touch when you consider the two recent elections where the democrats suffered greatly because parents voted against teacher indoctrination.
One election was won by the republicans, and the other nearly won.
It was the *voters* who spoke *LOUDLY*
But it's not teacher indoctrination. It's the political and religious right trying to turn back the clock to a time more mythical than real.
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13 Mar 2022, 6:56 am
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13 Mar 2022, 10:32 am
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Very well said.
Hardly.
It is more than a little out of touch when you consider the two recent elections where the democrats suffered greatly because parents voted against teacher indoctrination.
One election was won by the republicans, and the other nearly won.
It was the *voters* who spoke *LOUDLY*
STUPID VOTERS
13 Mar 2022, 4:41 pm
SATIRE!! ! 
Quote:
Florida Jails Already Overflowing With People Who Said The Word 'Gay'
Politics
March 9th, 2022 - BabylonBee.com
Just hours after Ron Desantis signed the hateful "Dont Say Gay" Bill, state officials have reported that all of their jails are practically overflowing and approaching their breaking point. This controversial and homophobic bill is the first of its kind, where a specific word of the English language has become a jailable offense.
"We're out of room to put all these criminals!" said Tallahassee PD Officer Rusty Hankerage. "Ever since the law has passed it seems everyone's saying ga—um I mean 'you-know-what.' And frankly, we're not paid enough to make this many arrests. The whole thing is 'you-know-what' in my opinion."
"We read the bill and it clearly says not to give classroom instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity in kindergarten through third grade—which obviously means arrest and imprison anyone caught saying the word 'G-A-Y,'" explained Officer Hankerage, carefully spelling out the word.
Florida PD is asking for more facilities to house all the criminals. They explained that most of the offenders put behind bars have been activists, kids playing Call of Duty, attention-seeking celebrities, and only a handful of gay people. They said they are doing their best to make accommodations, but they're simply running out of room to store them all.
At publishing time, Governor Ron DeSantis read directly from the bill stating, "It's to prevent inappropriate grooming and indoctrination. In fact, the bill never even says the word 'gay.'" DeSantis was then promptly tackled and handcuffed for saying the word "gay."
Politics
March 9th, 2022 - BabylonBee.com
Just hours after Ron Desantis signed the hateful "Dont Say Gay" Bill, state officials have reported that all of their jails are practically overflowing and approaching their breaking point. This controversial and homophobic bill is the first of its kind, where a specific word of the English language has become a jailable offense.
"We're out of room to put all these criminals!" said Tallahassee PD Officer Rusty Hankerage. "Ever since the law has passed it seems everyone's saying ga—um I mean 'you-know-what.' And frankly, we're not paid enough to make this many arrests. The whole thing is 'you-know-what' in my opinion."
"We read the bill and it clearly says not to give classroom instruction on sexual orientation or gender identity in kindergarten through third grade—which obviously means arrest and imprison anyone caught saying the word 'G-A-Y,'" explained Officer Hankerage, carefully spelling out the word.
Florida PD is asking for more facilities to house all the criminals. They explained that most of the offenders put behind bars have been activists, kids playing Call of Duty, attention-seeking celebrities, and only a handful of gay people. They said they are doing their best to make accommodations, but they're simply running out of room to store them all.
At publishing time, Governor Ron DeSantis read directly from the bill stating, "It's to prevent inappropriate grooming and indoctrination. In fact, the bill never even says the word 'gay.'" DeSantis was then promptly tackled and handcuffed for saying the word "gay."
https://babylonbee.com/news/florida-jai ... e-word-gay
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