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18 Mar 2020, 10:28 am

A large package of toilet paper (like the big ones at Costco) is enough for a family for at least a couple of months.



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18 Mar 2020, 10:33 am

Relative said Dollar Store here was cleaned out.There is suppose to be a truck arriving with more goods and they will be limiting.
Manager said people had been buying cart loads of toilet paper.


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18 Mar 2020, 10:42 am

Yeah I heard all dollar stores got hit hard. People want to hoard and be frugal. I noticed with TP at the grocery store it was the least expensive stuff that went first.



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18 Mar 2020, 10:54 am

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Apparently, the general public has some problem with understanding how long 14 days last and how much you eat and defecate in that time.


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18 Mar 2020, 11:03 am

Cuomo: NY Cases Top 2,300 With 1,000 New Overnight; Navy Hospital Ship Bound for City

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Gov. Andrew Cuomo all but quashed the idea of implementing a shelter-in-place order in New York City or anywhere else in the state Wednesday, while Mayor Bill de Blasio doubled down on his call to "seriously" consider it amid a spike in COVID-19 cases he fears will only sharpen in the coming weeks.

Cuomo said more new aggressive measures were likely and added a new statewide mandate Wednesday: All businesses must have at least 50 percent of their employees working from home, though essential services are exempt.

The governor issued the new mandate as he said the state saw more than 1,000 new COVID-19 cases in New York overnight. But Cuomo held steadfastly against ordering a shelter in place, saying on 'The Daily' podcast: "I wouldn't approve shelter in place, that scares people -- you can't leave your home. The fear, the panic is a bigger problem than the virus and I shut that down immediately."

The mayor, while acknowledging the call is ultimately up to the state, says it shouldn't be taken off the table. Noting grim hourly increases in the city's case total and a now double-digit death toll, de Blasio said on NBC " that a shelter-in-place order has to be "considered seriously starting today."

The city is growing increasingly desperate to curb the spread of infection. As of Wednesday morning, Cuomo said the five boroughs had more than 1,330 cases -- hundreds more than the update from the mayor the night before. In total, New York state has more than 2,300 cases as of Wednesday. Both the mayor and governor have said the numbers change by the minute for the worse. Testing capacity is expanding, which means more positive cases by default.

Legally, the mayor does have the authority to order it in the city. Cuomo has urged against singular action, saying people under that restriction in New York City may just up and stay with, perhaps, an elderly relative in Nassau County. That would only further the potential for community spread.

New Yorkers are "very good at getting around rules," Cuomo cautioned. "So if you say to me, well, if you’re in Queens, you have to shelter in place, you can’t leave. I’ll go stay with my sister in Westchester. That’s how I’ll handle it."


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In an interview with The New York Times’ podcast “The Daily,” Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo said that he could “potentially” close all businesses except for “essential businesses” such as grocery stores and pharmacies, as Italy did.

Cuomo said he closed bars and restaurants except for takeout and delivery on Monday because expanded testing, voluntary social distancing, requests for more people to work from home and other measures “didn’t make any difference.”

Asked about the economic impact of the decision, Cuomo said that, at this point in the epidemic “you are past the point of monetizing these decisions.”

“You are at the point of deciding, how many people are going to live, how many people are going to die,” he said “That's where you are. Closing restaurants reduces the spread of the disease. The disease transfers very quickly, not just in the coughs or the droplets, etcetera. There are some studies that say the disease can live, the virus can live up to two or three days on a surface,” such as on a restaurant table or a sink.

Cuomo also predicted that “this economy is going to be very badly hurt. The recovery of this economy is going to be an economic feat never seen before. You're going to have to go back to the Great Depression to come up with a revival plan for the economy like we're seeing now. You're going to see mortgage foreclosures. You're going to see bankruptcies. Massive unemployment, claims across the board.”

State finances, he said, “are decimated.” State budget director Robert Mujica said Tuesday that New York will need federal help because of the damage to the budget that the health crisis is causing.



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18 Mar 2020, 11:11 am

2,300 cases in a city of about 9,000,000 people.



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18 Mar 2020, 11:18 am

Well this is day TWO of the voluntary or maybe mandatory quarantine for us old folks.

I woke up this morning and began to shave. Well almost began to shave. My bottle of shaving cream was out. Not even a dribble. So I did a quick search of the cabinet and didn't find any. So I said, "Oh Noooooo! I'm out of shaving cream." So I made up my mind to take a quick trip to CVS.

We have an old saying in our country "Live free, or die". And we mean it. So although I respect the governments directives to quarantine, I am in charge of my own life and also responsible for any mistakes I make.

Well I did a more thorough search and found one plastic bottle. It read "Bromley's for Men, Velvety Shave Cream, Bergamot Lavender. Shave step 2 of THREE." Well it is good shaving cream. I just haven't figured out what Step 1 is or Step 3. Had to ponder that for a few seconds. I had bought it on sale a year or two ago. Anyways by this time I had already decided to break quarantine and fetch some more shaving cream. Note: to all the guys out there, make sure you stockpile enough of this stuff so you do not run out. It is essential if you wear an N95 mask. You must have a tight seal and that means clean shaven and no stubble or whiskers.

Now a few days ago I mentioned that I found a box of ten N-95 masks. They were in good condition but very mildew. So for the past few days I have been restoring them. I put a few drops of Tea Tree oil on a couple of the mask and then sealed them all in a plastic bag for a couple days. Next I put them outside in the sun to kill anything that remained. So my masks are almost ready for use.

So we went to CVS. My wife stayed in the car. I donned my N95 makes and went inside. I scored 4 cans of shaving cream and I also picked up a couple boxes of marshmallow Easter peeps. Don't tell my wife. When I exited the store and got back in the car, I put some hand sanitizer on and rubbed it in.

When we arrived home from out in the wild of city life, we performed our ritual. My wife has her coronavirus rituals and I have mine. So the first two are my wife's:
1.) I had to strip and put all my clothes in the clothes hamper so they could be washed. This is even if I wore them for only one day. Generally I get 2 good weeks of wearing them before I have to throw them in the laundry.
2.) I had to take a hot bath. Again I normally only take one about every 2 weeks or so.
The next two are mine:
3.) I mix up a hot toddy and we split it. It is like disinfecting our throats.
4.) I put a dab of a special formula of essential oils, which I called Superman oil on our wrist and rub it in. It contains a special blend of 21 essential oils and it devastates the influenza virus.

So that was our excursion into the land of the free and home of the brave.

Now someone on this tread mentioned that there was a run on ammunition. Where I live I don't see that. I mulled it around and I might know what is happening. It is for gawkers. Whenever there is a disaster there are gawkers. They come out in droves to see the damage. It is like I am one of the ancient ones who is about to become extinct and so people come out and bring their kids and gawk, like I am some kind of dinosaur. I suspect they may even have an app for that which shows where all the old timers live. Many years ago I had a neighbor. He lived back in the woods. People might accidentally go down his driveway. He would leave his house with a shotgun and fire one round off in the air. The person would immediately turn around and flee for their lives. He developed a reputation. He became the crazy old man with a shotgun - and nobody messed with him. The word spread and everyone around would know which driveway to absolutely avoid. Yep, no gawking with him.

Well I have been going stir-crazy yesterday, so I worked on my DIY (do it yourself) coronavirus face mask. I will report out soon. It is very unique. I call it the sock mask.


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18 Mar 2020, 11:29 am

EzraS wrote:
2,300 cases in a city of about 9,000,000 people.


Probably a lot more cases due to lack of testing
US surgeon general: US coronavirus cases are where Italy was 2 weeks ago

If at the end of the day this turns out to be unremarkable, a normal flu like outbreak everybody will of course say fake news/hype. Thing is we won't know if the "panic" measures stopped the apocalypse or it was truly all hype. Then in the future if there is a real pandemic nobody will believe the warnings.

Now the panic is about the uncertainty, newness, an invisible enemy, germs.

My useless opinion is when all is said and done it will be significantly more than a normal flu outbreak and significantly less than people dead all over the place, no lights, no food etc.


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18 Mar 2020, 12:09 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
EzraS wrote:
2,300 cases in a city of about 9,000,000 people.


Probably a lot more cases due to lack of testing
US surgeon general: US coronavirus cases are where Italy was 2 weeks ago

If at the end of the day this turns out to be unremarkable, a normal flu like outbreak everybody will of course say fake news/hype. Thing is we won't know if the "panic" measures stopped the apocalypse or it was truly all hype. Then in the future if there is a real pandemic nobody will believe the warnings.

Now the panic is about the uncertainty, newness, an invisible enemy, germs.

My useless opinion is when all is said and done it will be significantly more than a normal flu outbreak and significantly less than people dead all over the place, no lights, no food etc.


I am just displaying my inherent skepticism.

In China, a country packed with 1.5 billion people, where this thing started and is now winding down, there were hardly any cases and deaths attributed to it in comparison to the population.

In a sense with China as I see it we can already start looking back on it.

One thing with my skepticism that millions of people are going to die from covid-19 as some are saying, I imagine no one hopes I am wrong.

Another thing regarding lots of unknown cases, which I am sure is correct, in my opinion it shows those cases are probably pretty mild.

But I also think a lot of people with mild flu symptoms may not be getting it checked out because they are afraid they will get "locked up" for a long period of time. Hopefully though they are straying home for a few days.



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18 Mar 2020, 12:13 pm

I'm hoping the warm weather does to COVID-19 what it usually does with these sorts of viruses.



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18 Mar 2020, 12:17 pm

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None of this had to happen. But Trump disbanded the pandemic task force, and blamed Obama now that we have a crisis on our hands. The fact that many of his supporters reject science and were more afraid of “having their guns taken away” or “being raped by Mexicans”, adds more fuel to the fire. Now that churches and gun stores are closing, let’s see how quickly their opinion of him changes. Some of them are already blaming George Soros!

And this doesn’t include the grave mistakes on China’s end.


Beth Cameron, who led the office under Obama, said the Trump administration's decision to nix the directorate cost the United States "valuable time" in responding to COVID-19, although the full impact is still unclear.

In a Washington Post op-ed, Cameron wrote that the office was created out of a "recognition that epidemics know no borders and that a serious, fast response is crucial. Our job was to be the smoke alarm — keeping watch to get ahead of emergencies, sounding a warning at the earliest sign of fire — all with the goal of avoiding a six-alarm blaze."

She said her team constantlymonitored myriad global health threats, from the H7N9 influenza in China to an outbreak of yellow fever in Angola.

Bolton and his allies shot back after Cameron's op-ed was published, saying she and other critics were misleading the public by saying the office had been disbanded. Tim Morrison, one of Bolton's deputies at the National Security Council, said it was bloated and the decision to consolidate the global health unit with two others eliminated "overlap" within the National Security Council.

"If anything, the combined directorate was stronger because related expertise could be commingled," Tim Morrison wrote in his own Washington Post op-ed Monday.

He said the current staff "is fully up to the job" of responding to COVID-19, and he trumpeted Trump's work on biodefense and vaccines.

In an interview, Morrison said Bolton would regularly send him early-morning emails about possible emerging health concerns.

He said the problem with the COVID-19 outbreak has nothing to do with the structure of the National Security Council and everything to do with China’s attempts to hide the outbreak at first.

“The fault lies with China sitting on this thing for five weeks,” Morrison said. “We could have nipped this thing in the bud if the Chinese had come clean earlier.”

Source: 'Gross misjudgment': Experts say Trump's decision to disband pandemic team hindered coronavirus response

I had worked for the Federal Government for many years. And the one thing that I observed is that the government is constantly reorganizing itself, restructuring itself, trying to become more efficient and effective. This story seems more cloaked in the lens of politics and conspiracy theories than reality.


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18 Mar 2020, 12:19 pm

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I'm hoping the warm weather does to COVID-19 what it usually does with these sorts of viruses.

Maybe that's why Africa is relatively unaffected.


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18 Mar 2020, 12:23 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I'm hoping the warm weather does to COVID-19 what it usually does with these sorts of viruses.


Me too. I noticed that the swine flu started in April. I think if it had started in January there would have been a similar situation to what we have now. I do not have any problem with the better safe than sorry measures that have been taken, just as long as it does not end up going overboard.



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18 Mar 2020, 12:28 pm

For Men Primarily. -- I learned a trick about 50 years ago when I was in boot camp.
A disposable razor can last for about 3 weeks of usage. All one has to do is wash the blades after usage and then wipe them with a Q-tip.


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18 Mar 2020, 12:29 pm

Yep. Africa has very few cases.

From an historical perspective, it is well known that warm weather does lessen the effect of these epidemics the vast majority of the time.

The one exception is the 1918 Pandemic.

I use my semi-disposable razor for months.