The REAL cause of the totenham riots...

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The thing is, the parents of the man who was killed by police have specifically condemned this looting.

As far as I can tell, the guy who was shot was a criminal scumbag.

Exactly! What part of a known gang member pulling a gun on the cops during his arrest don't the [non-rioting] protesters and media not understand? Do they really expect the cops to pity his socio-economic situation and take a bullet because it's the politically correct thing to do? Even in the US where carrying a handgun can usually be done legally in most places, shooting cops is something that only the worst scum does. Nobody cares when they die and rightfully so.

i just found that map interesting and felt like sharing.

if i was directly affected by something badly, then theres a strong chance id react badly. Id regress into the primal reptilian part of the brain, clouded by fiery dark emotions. completely lose sight of the bigger picture. In a moments madness some racist epithet might escape my lips - i hope it woldnt, but you never know.

I hope that id settle down afterwards, and shake of any predujice that might have seduced me.

The point is that i dont think its 'human nature' to do wicked things anymore than its human nature to catch a disease. When the environment is healthy and a person is well nourished they are less susceptable to catching things. When things go to sh** then the virus starts to spread. Some people have a high resistance and they dont get infected by the rage, the avarice the mischief or whatever.
Maybe they had the good role models? But they dont get a prize just because they had the higher resistance or the stronger character and pointing at them as examples of 'decent' people does nothing to improve the environmental conditions that helped breed the virus in the first place.

Im not 'excusing' behaviuor, im trying to understand it. Because i dont want it to happen again.

Its similar to the conservative fallacy about the war on drugs, where it only makes the problem much worse. Someone might say how would you feel if a crackhead attacked you? but that argument is a dead end. Im interested in what works - makes things better, what will make a better environment that doesnt bring out the worst in susceptable people.

Anyone who thinks that will be in for quite a shock when reality hits!

The police have in the past killed innocent people then told a series of offensive lies about them to try and cover themselves afterwards. I dont know what happenned in this case, but lets say for argument the 'official' story is correct. If a rumour cirulates that they killed someone then told lies about it then unfortunately that is a credible story.

Do you think the looters wil get arrested? What about the ones setting buildings on fire? I am sure there's plenty of video evidence. Is it worth getting arrested over? If people were rioting in my tow, I wouldn't join them just because there's a lot of people doing it therefore there won't be any consequences. Anyone who thinks that will be in for quite a shock when reality hits!

Some people are going to get massively disproportionate sentences. stealing a mobile phone or getting drunk and smashing a shop window on a random day last month was probably incurring community service. Doing the exact same thing in the context of large disorder, in this political climate, with the media baying for blood and politician scum eager to underline their point will very likely to a long prison stretch.

Unfortunately, since you are in the UK, even if you could legally get to shoot a gun you still wouldn't have an opportunity to shoot under stress, so unfortunately you can't get a first hand understanding of what I'm talking about. It would have explained a lot about what happens during a police shooting.

Well if this whole episode has taught me one thing its that aspergian society, like the general population is full of intolerant, elitist, racist biggots.

Well if this whole episode has taught me one thing its that aspergian society, like the general population is full of intolerant, elitist, racist biggots.

I'm glad that history will judge this and not some of you.

I've met many a***holes with AS. They often appear worse than NTs in their opinions, the way they lie and bully because those with AS are blunt people and tell it how they see it.

If anything, I have an immense pride in being seen like that by the likes of you, because of how demented and wrong you really are.

Tbh I used to actually be like that. I was a messed up evil person in my early 20s. So I can kind of relate to that.

Well give yourself a pat on the back sweetcheaks! Really happy for you.

You've missed a trick.

Because the average man on the street has been shouted down and called 'racist', 'fascist', 'extremist' and so on for his opinions too many times, he begins to stop caring whenever he's called that. You can only do it for so long and then people stop listening. Explaining the rise of the EDL - who aren't fascist, let's be honest, although some of the people in it will be unpleasant people, certainly. Which is why I have little time for their marches beyond the principles of free speech and so on. Some of their members are brave people to do what they do.

The EDL isn't a fascist movement - this is not the 1930s and the far-left are being extremely lazy and playing to their own prejudices by labeling them as such.