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26 Nov 2014, 11:49 pm

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if Wilson lied about the disrespectful language he used against the pair, then what else is he lying about?


What evidence is there that he lied about his language?



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27 Nov 2014, 12:03 am

eric76 wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
if Wilson lied about the disrespectful language he used against the pair, then what else is he lying about?


What evidence is there that he lied about his language?

when the police brass interviewed him after the incident, he claimed to have said to the pair, "hey guys, why don't you walk on the sidewalk?" you can believe he said that if you want, but no cop I've ever run into spoke like that to the likes of such people. I've never been spoken to by a cop in such a civil manner- always spoken to like a drill sergeant to a private.



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27 Nov 2014, 12:42 am

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eric76 wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
if Wilson lied about the disrespectful language he used against the pair, then what else is he lying about?


What evidence is there that he lied about his language?

when the police brass interviewed him after the incident, he claimed to have said to the pair, "hey guys, why don't you walk on the sidewalk?" you can believe he said that if you want, but no cop I've ever run into spoke like that to the likes of such people. I've never been spoken to by a cop in such a civil manner- always spoken to like a drill sergeant to a private.


So that means he is lying about it?



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27 Nov 2014, 12:44 am

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So that means he is lying about it?

I do not believe a word out of his mouth.



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27 Nov 2014, 1:01 am

Some people are there to take advantage of the chaos, others really want to express their opinions.


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27 Nov 2014, 1:02 am

Apart from the national guard taking some rounds early on (unknown if a patrol or the dudes at the station), Ferguson was fairly quiet on the streets; snow, police patrolling the roads, guard patrolling in Humvees, plus rooftops here and there having oathkeepers.

Just people protesting outside of the police station. Who'd have thought, when you have tons of people in uniform, there's little vandalism and looting going on. Probably the most peaceful night in a long time by the looks of it.

LA had a lot of...hippie drama and 180+ arrests. They failed to "disperse" when unlawful assembly was declared. No real violence on their part though.

Oakland has people running the streets, people breaking stuff, and police responding and arresting people. That's probably just an extension of normal though. :)



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27 Nov 2014, 3:56 am

I don't know, I really don't like my generation and their disrespect for authority and attitude of "F the police". Your obviously doing something wrong if you have confrontations with police. So if they use excessive force your obviously not obeying their orders and your challenging the law. I don't believe in "rouge cops" or police brutality. I belive you get what you deserve if your being a thug.

People should just stay inside and play PC games, then we wouldn't have any of these problems. It's people who get involved in the real world that cause all this drama. I'm glad i can just close my door and shut all that chaos out, and you should too.



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27 Nov 2014, 9:42 am

Can't tell if...

Naw, I won't, that's against the rules I think.

What about the possibility that the police are doing something wrong? They are, after all, drawn from the general population, a population which has thugs. What makes you think putting on a badge will change that?

Hence it is true that you cannot wield the power of the state. None of us can, the state answer to Satan alone. It must be taken deep into the psyche from which it was forged...



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27 Nov 2014, 9:52 am

auntblabby wrote:
when the police brass interviewed him after the incident, he claimed to have said to the pair, "hey guys, why don't you walk on the sidewalk?" you can believe he said that if you want, but no cop I've ever run into spoke like that to the likes of such people. I've never been spoken to by a cop in such a civil manner- always spoken to like a drill sergeant to a private.

Indeed. In college, my partner was bounced off the wall of his landowner's office. The landowner had claimed that my partner owed him for a broken (6-inch x 6-inch) garage window pane (we took photographs of the window pane which showed years of dust and weather stains on the inside of the break, that my friend couldn't have been the culprit since he had rented the house for a few months). We immediately called SLCPD and, as we escorted the officers back to the landowner's office by an escalator and, later, an elevator, I tried to explain what I had witnessed while the senior officer (who just happened to be black) screeched at me to shut up because I was "stirring up s***." I asked if he wanted to interview us about what we experienced and witnessed, and take notes; he barked "no." The senior officer spoke with the landowner (who denied everything, and claimed that we had been argumentative and hostile; even though his own secretary couldn't bring herself to say that he hadn't done what we claimed) and told us that if he arrested anyone, it would be us, not the landowner. We were "protected and served" alright. I guess racism among the ranks cuts both ways. Either way, I now wear the same clip-on body video-camera that officers are supposed to wear. Nobody in "authority" is ever going to do that to me again.


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27 Nov 2014, 11:18 am

I see a problem. I don't like to discuss this stuff very much, because the tension is disturbing. This is a serious issue. It is not just an issue with the law, but also one with OFFICER TRAINING.

Not just that either, but society's ETIQUETTE! Alot of people suck at it, and no one is taught in school, or by most peoples peers exactly what it is.

it is a two way street.

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27 Nov 2014, 12:53 pm

I haven't had any too bad encounters with a cop even when falsely arrested and I have never been spoken to that way by any officer. A experience will give people a different perspective and affect their opinion on this situation and have them not believe the cop. I call it projection. People will use their personal experience to justify their opinion.

My personal opinion is skin color was irrelevant because it had nothing to do with it. The kid just started to beat the officer and reaching for his gun and charging at him so the cop shot him in self defense. I think anyone who thinks this was done because the guy was black are paranoid if they think this was a race issue. But if it was the other way around, it would have gone in the media like this so I can agree this is due to race that has made it gone in the media like this. I just think cops are to take a beating from someone and not fend for themselves because of how people are acting and how upset they are that there will be no charges. Just a reason to not become an officer because darn if a person starts to attack you.

How hard is it to listen to the cop? Even if they start cursing at you, still obey them and file a complaint for their choice of words. Two wrongs don't make it right.

What if Wilson was black, then what? People wouldn't be able to play the race card.


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27 Nov 2014, 3:39 pm

I have been abused by black cops before.



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27 Nov 2014, 4:29 pm

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I haven't had any too bad encounters with a cop even when falsely arrested and I have never been spoken to that way by any officer. A experience will give people a different perspective and affect their opinion on this situation and have them not believe the cop. I call it projection. People will use their personal experience to justify their opinion.

My personal opinion is skin color was irrelevant because it had nothing to do with it. The kid just started to beat the officer and reaching for his gun and charging at him so the cop shot him in self defense. I think anyone who thinks this was done because the guy was black are paranoid if they think this was a race issue. But if it was the other way around, it would have not gone in the media like this so I can agree this is due to race that has made it gone in the media like this. I just think cops are to take a beating from someone and not fend for themselves because of how people are acting and how upset they are that there will be no charges. Just a reason to not become an officer because darn if a person starts to attack you.

How hard is it to listen to the cop? Even if they start cursing at you, still obey them and file a complaint for their choice of words. Two wrongs don't make it right.

What if Wilson was black, then what? People wouldn't be able to play the race card.



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27 Nov 2014, 4:56 pm

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... skin color was irrelevant because it had nothing to do with it. The kid just started to beat the officer and reaching for his gun and charging at him so the cop shot him in self defense...

That also seems to be the general opinion of the twelve people who studied all of the "eye-witness" accounts and all of the material evidence without being told what to believe by the Media.

[opinion=mine]

It is irrational to believe that there is a government conspiracy against any one ethnic group. Those who claim to want "justice" in this case seem to have no interest in the facts or justice, and just want to see a cop -- any cop -- become the blood sacrifice for all the woes that society has brought upon itself. In the old days, this kind of attitude led to witch burnings and lynchings. I thank God that Mob Rule is not being allowed to prevail in this matter, or we'd be seeing every kind of government official under threat if they so much as looked cross-eyed at a "person of color".

[/opinion]

Have a Nice Day! :D



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27 Nov 2014, 5:04 pm

auntblabby wrote:
I have been abused by black cops before.


What where you doing to have the cops show up?

Context is a good thing



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27 Nov 2014, 6:24 pm

Fnord wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
... skin color was irrelevant because it had nothing to do with it. The kid just started to beat the officer and reaching for his gun and charging at him so the cop shot him in self defense...

That also seems to be the general opinion of the twelve people who studied all of the "eye-witness" accounts and all of the material evidence without being told what to believe by the Media.

[opinion=mine]

It is irrational to believe that there is a government conspiracy against any one ethnic group. Those who claim to want "justice" in this case seem to have no interest in the facts or justice, and just want to see a cop -- any cop -- become the blood sacrifice for all the woes that society has brought upon itself. In the old days, this kind of attitude led to witch burnings and lynchings. I thank God that Mob Rule is not being allowed to prevail in this matter, or we'd be seeing every kind of government official under threat if they so much as looked cross-eyed at a "person of color".

[/opinion]

Have a Nice Day! :D


Thank you for your refreshing logic, I thought I was the only one who used reason to understand this case