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01 Jun 2017, 10:05 pm

Lintar wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Lintar wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Lintar wrote:
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Putin doesn't literally want to bring back the communism of the Soviet Union, or their governmental system, but rather wants to see the power of Russia restored.


Okay, that's clearer. I tend to take everything literally. Damn this Asperger's!

I can understand why he would want to restore his nation to what it was before, or to something similar. Every leader wants what is best for his or her country, that's not a surprise.

Kraichgauer wrote:
Wanting what's best for his country is one thing, but wanting to bring us down because of how he blames us for bringing down Russian is quite another.


Well, when one is the leader of a nation that is constantly demonised in the Western press, it's easy to see why he would come to believe that in order for his nation to even survive he must push back, and hard. The (former Soviet) Baltic states of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania now belong to N.A.T.O. There are American bases in Central Asia. How would you like it if there were Soviet (or Russian) bases in Canada and Mexico? That's how close they are. His country is being encircled. Why?

Kraichgauer wrote:
In regard to his past history - that's in reference to his interfering with the elections of other countries, of his military interventions, and his trail of assassinations.


The accusation of interference again, based upon misinformation and gossip on slow news days.

Kraichgauer wrote:
But seriously, why are you guys on the right, who have a long history of attacking the left for their alleged lack of loyalty to America, suddenly so in love with Putin and Russia that you'll side with them over your own country?


I don't belong to the "right". Some of my views would be considered to be "far left" (ex. I fully support universal health care - we've had it in Australia for decades now - I despise all religions, hate tax-dodging corporations, believe that the U.S. has such a high homicide rate due to - among other things - the hopelessly inadequate control of firearms, and will always stand with the poor and disadvantaged against the slander that is often directed our way - ex. the obscene generalisation that "those who are on welfare are drug-addicts too lazy to work").


I am delighted you aren't to the far right on the issues you've named off. But the fact is, those people who support Trump in my country are the very same people who take the opposite political stance you do.


Well, at least we don't disagree on everything, but if it's not too much to ask, can you address the question I asked regarding the (very real) encirclement of Russia by forces hostile to it? Why, since 1989/1990 and the absorption of the GDR by West Germany, has it been an almost constant feature in world politics? As an example, why did Barack Obama when he was President, think it to be such a good idea to place a "missile defence shield" as they called it in Poland? The excuse was "to deter Iran, and intercept any missiles coming from that general direction", but as anyone who knows anything at all about geography will be able to tell you, this makes no sense whatsoever. A more logical choice for the interception of missiles coming from Iran, would have been Turkey, which is a) much, much closer to Iran (they actually share a border), and b) actually lies on the path that any such missile would travel on its way to Western Europe. This "defence shield" was CLEARLY aimed at undermining Russia's strategic forces, and thus creating an advantage for the West. It was a destabilising move. What were they thinking?


Putin was already in charge when Obama had placed those missiles in Poland, I would imagine at Poland's request. It's the man in charge of a country who frightens people, not necessarily just a particular country. There wasn't this sort of fear when Yeltsin was in charge of Russia among their neighbors.


Then in that case they should have just been straight with everyone, and said, "We are placing these missiles in Poland because we're afraid of what Vladimir Putin may get up to if we don't". It wasn't necessary to make up all the b.s. they did about Iran being a "threat".

As for Yeltsin, he was drunk most of the time.


Drunk he might have been, but at least Yeltsin wasn't in the "gobble up your neighbors" business.


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