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24 Nov 2019, 11:57 am

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That's nice. A journalist and fellow countryman of yours is being treated like vermin and your reaction is to laugh. Sick of liberals.

There is some debate as to whether he is a journalist or a hacker. I myself don't have much love for hackers given the number of times I've been forced to cancel my credit card due to attempted illegal purchases.


You have a very loose definition of hackers then. That's just identity theft. Hacking is clearly not within the grasp of posters in this thread. Serious hackers task themselves with fixing your planet for you, no matter how much you grumble & moan about it.


It would seem I agree with the definition used by your own government on what constitutes hacking. Assange has released information that has resulted in collateral damage including the election of Trump. He is not a friend of the left.


So basically what you're saying is that Assange is responsible for Trump's election, not the corruption of the Democratic Party, and rigging the primaries. Yikes! You want to kill the messenger, then. Good to know. At least we now know you are not on the side of truth and justice.


It's not really rocket science that Assange contributed toward trump's victory
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... ks/545738/

The only point of debate is by how much... :roll:


He was used by Rodger Stone.


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24 Nov 2019, 12:04 pm

So no one can provide proof of hacking by Assange or putting people's lives at risk but everything I say is evidence based. The fantasies about Rodger Stone are hilarious. Wikileaks had already announced they were going to leak stuff. How could anyone believe such b.s.?

The mainstream media were trying to get a mass murderer and associate of a child rapist elected by withholding information about Clinton's crimes against humanity, but thank God for real journalists like Julian Assange who detailed her links to ISIS.


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24 Nov 2019, 12:09 pm

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So no one can provide proof of hacking by Assange or putting people's lives at risk but everything I say is evidence based. The fantasies about Rodger Stone are hilarious. Wikileaks had already announced they were going to leak stuff. How could anyone believe such b.s.?

The mainstream media were trying to get a mass murderer and associate of a child rapist elected by withholding information about Clinton's crimes against humanity, but thank God for real journalists like Julian Assange who detailed her links to ISIS.


No one can provide proof of something you've ignored the definition of. Without Firefox there would be no Tor Browser, without Tor there would be no WikiLeaks, that took millions of hands on hackers.


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24 Nov 2019, 12:13 pm

I hack EVERY DAY in a legitimate multinational company. My profession is not in & of itself an accusation & hacking is not actually a crime in its' own right. Assange was supported technologically by many people like me & you are spreading vitriolic hatred about us. Bugger off with that.


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24 Nov 2019, 12:15 pm

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I hack EVERY DAY in a legitimate multinational company. My profession is not in & of itself an accusation & hacking is not actually a crime in its' own right. Assange was supported technologically by many people like me & you are spreading vitriolic hatred about us. Bugger off with that.


He's not a hacker. You've already proved you don't know what you're talking about.


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24 Nov 2019, 12:21 pm

Ok now you're simply trolling. If I appreciated someone like you knowing my name, you would be seeing a hacker's resumé.

You're equally tech-inept as the politicians you support, may they all fail.


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24 Nov 2019, 12:30 pm

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Ok now you're simply trolling. If I appreciated someone like you knowing my name, you would be seeing a hacker's resumé.

You're equally tech-inept as the politicians you support, may they all fail.


We went though this the other day. You showed you don't understand the difference between a hacker and a publisher.


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24 Nov 2019, 12:33 pm

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Ok now you're simply trolling. If I appreciated someone like you knowing my name, you would be seeing a hacker's resumé.

You're equally tech-inept as the politicians you support, may they all fail.


We went though this the other day. You showed you don't understand the difference between a hacker and a publisher.


You're ignoring the obvious fact that a guy can be both.


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24 Nov 2019, 12:34 pm

Hacking is not a filthy word. Stop spreading hate, this is not 2005.


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24 Nov 2019, 12:35 pm

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That's nice. A journalist and fellow countryman of yours is being treated like vermin and your reaction is to laugh. Sick of liberals.

There is some debate as to whether he is a journalist or a hacker. I myself don't have much love for hackers given the number of times I've been forced to cancel my credit card due to attempted illegal purchases.


You have a very loose definition of hackers then. That's just identity theft. Hacking is clearly not within the grasp of posters in this thread. Serious hackers task themselves with fixing your planet for you, no matter how much you grumble & moan about it.


It would seem I agree with the definition used by your own government on what constitutes hacking. Assange has released information that has resulted in collateral damage including the election of Trump. He is not a friend of the left.


So basically what you're saying is that Assange is responsible for Trump's election, not the corruption of the Democratic Party, and rigging the primaries. Yikes! You want to kill the messenger, then. Good to know. At least we now know you are not on the side of truth and justice.


It's not really rocket science that Assange contributed toward trump's victory
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... ks/545738/

The only point of debate is by how much... :roll:


The point you are missing is that you don't care one bit about having the conversation that we need to have in this country, rather than just bash Trump 24/7 and blaming Assange for exposing corruption.

Sadly, neither the political establishment nor the corporate media will have any interest in this conversation, either, since they are only interested in maintaining the oligarchy.


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24 Nov 2019, 12:58 pm

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Hacking is not a filthy word. Stop spreading hate, this is not 2005.


It the US establishment/neocons/liberals that have made it a dirty word. I'm not against hacking. I'm saying Assange is not a hacker.


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24 Nov 2019, 1:33 pm

I don't think partisan blame shifting is what digital security people had in mind when we stopped blindly obeying the U.S. government. Even in the infinitesimal chance I'm actually wrong & Assange doesn't know newsprint from a shell prompt, many ethical hackers went to jail so WikiLeaks could do its' job.

Dissociating hackers from this buries us in the ole' historical dustbin. You're a revisionist. Denying the positive side of the hacking community strikes me as fascist.


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24 Nov 2019, 2:56 pm

There's zero evidence that Assange is a hacker. Just fascist smears and phony wannabe hackers making those claims.


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24 Nov 2019, 3:10 pm

Cberg and Powell.

I think you are both talking past each-other because you are using the same word with different definitions.

Cberg, when Powell hears the word "hacker" I think what he hears is "Criminal who illegally breaks into computer systems"
When what I think you hear is, "Guy who knows a system inside and out."

Powell, what Cberg is saying when he says Assange is a hacker is that Assange is a genious when it comes to computers and cryptography.

Cberg, what Powell is saying when he says "Assange is not a hacker", is that Assange is no criminal and should not be in jail.

If you both stop and take a deep breath, you might find that you're actually agreeing more than you disagree.



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24 Nov 2019, 3:36 pm

He thinks Assange worked with Russia to hack the DNC. You don't need to preach to the choir.


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24 Nov 2019, 5:11 pm

What?!

Dude, stop conflating my statements with nonsensical clickbait; you're talking past me out of prejudice & ignorance. I don't care if you're liberal or conservative, I'm only asking you to stop s**t talking about the hacking community. It clearly brought you a lot of food for thought & you're typecasting lots of nice people as petty criminals.


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