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04 Apr 2020, 4:07 pm

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What I have learned when it comes to the Never Trumpers and the Democrats is that no matter how he handled the situation it they would have complained.


Wow. It’s because he continues to bungle it at every step. How can you not see this? :? Almost 100% of the things he has said or done for this crisis have made things worse.

It’s a hoax. State governors should fend for themselves. “Guidelines,” say masks are voluntary but he won’t be wearing one.. even the fact that your country has “voluntary guidelines,” about how to mitigate this crisis is a joke. Every other country or region that’s had a better outcome has Orders from their leadership/health experts that are enforced via law enforcement & fines. There are FAR too many of the orange guy’s lies and miss-steps to list, but even you should be able to see the Net result of them: a skyrocketing infection rate and body count in the USA, in large part due to the failed leadership of your president trump. Hell, even the Boston Globe recently wrote an op-Ed about how he has blood on his hands for his handling of this pandemic.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.msnbc.c ... 1522245875



Unrelated: Canada has a poor track record of how it treats Indigenous people that’s coming to light more and more in recent times especially due to pipeline politics. Canada can and should do better. As more and more Canadians learn the truth, Indigenous people have more support in their fights against Canada. It’s a work in progress that’s still going to take a lot of time to make right.

It’s related to this thread since you seem to think your nation is perfect and treats it’s citizens sooo much better than America.Yeah.....your white citizens.


I'm pretty goldfish21 has been comfortable expressing criticisms of Canada's policies on these matters as well.

Not as much as he discusses our problems.Clean your own house first before you look for dirt in mine.


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04 Apr 2020, 4:08 pm

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The Cherokee sent their children to white schools,changed their names to white names,used white farming methods and they were still sent packing on the Trail of Tears.It goes right through my county and this was actually the first reservation before most moved on to Oklahoma.Many locals here descended from ones that successfully hid because they passed as white .Sequoyah developed the Cherokee alphabet not far from here.


For what it's worth I did read pretty extensively about the Cherokee people and their experiences when I was younger. The decision that allowed them to kick out the descendents of Cherokee owned slaves struck me as distasteful not because they shouldn't of been denied that right, but because the Federal government could have merely recognized the descendents of Cherokee slaves as a separate nation from the Cherokee. It permanently tainted my opinion of Cherokee (as a nation, not on any individual level) because it's a right they didn't need to exercise even if they were entitled to. How do you kick your cousins out of the family? It's shameful.

Then again, it's not surprising since the laws prior to reconstruction were written to make as many people as possible count as black and the least number possible count as native. I found that aspect interesting as a kid since by-and-large slavery isn't very relevant to Canada's history, but the general idea was always to reduce who was owed anything and increase who could be owned.


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04 Apr 2020, 4:09 pm

Blacks were only counted as 3/5 of a person, each.



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04 Apr 2020, 4:11 pm

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Blacks were only counted as 3/5 of a person, each.


Women weren't "people" at all.

Women of any background.


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04 Apr 2020, 4:12 pm

Misslizard wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
What I have learned when it comes to the Never Trumpers and the Democrats is that no matter how he handled the situation it they would have complained.


Wow. It’s because he continues to bungle it at every step. How can you not see this? :? Almost 100% of the things he has said or done for this crisis have made things worse.

It’s a hoax. State governors should fend for themselves. “Guidelines,” say masks are voluntary but he won’t be wearing one.. even the fact that your country has “voluntary guidelines,” about how to mitigate this crisis is a joke. Every other country or region that’s had a better outcome has Orders from their leadership/health experts that are enforced via law enforcement & fines. There are FAR too many of the orange guy’s lies and miss-steps to list, but even you should be able to see the Net result of them: a skyrocketing infection rate and body count in the USA, in large part due to the failed leadership of your president trump. Hell, even the Boston Globe recently wrote an op-Ed about how he has blood on his hands for his handling of this pandemic.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.msnbc.c ... 1522245875



Unrelated: Canada has a poor track record of how it treats Indigenous people that’s coming to light more and more in recent times especially due to pipeline politics. Canada can and should do better. As more and more Canadians learn the truth, Indigenous people have more support in their fights against Canada. It’s a work in progress that’s still going to take a lot of time to make right.

It’s related to this thread since you seem to think your nation is perfect and treats it’s citizens sooo much better than America.Yeah.....your white citizens.


I'm pretty goldfish21 has been comfortable expressing criticisms of Canada's policies on these matters as well.

Not as much as he discusses our problems.Clean your own house first before you look for dirt in mine.


Canada, the US and Australia are all similarly filthy in this regard and as far as I'm concerned the border isn't really all that relevant when discussing issues relevant to indigenous people because many of our nations straddle the border. Am I less entitled to care about Abenaki in Vermont then Abenaki in Quebec? Of course not, they're my family regardless of which side of the artificial line they live on.

The border is relevant when assigning responsibility to the one or the other occupying power, but not for whether or not we're allowed to advocate for ourselves.


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04 Apr 2020, 4:12 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
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The Cherokee sent their children to white schools,changed their names to white names,used white farming methods and they were still sent packing on the Trail of Tears.It goes right through my county and this was actually the first reservation before most moved on to Oklahoma.Many locals here descended from ones that successfully hid because they passed as white .Sequoyah developed the Cherokee alphabet not far from here.


For what it's worth I did read pretty extensively about the Cherokee people and their experiences when I was younger. The decision that allowed them to kick out the descendents of Cherokee owned slaves struck me as distasteful not because they shouldn't of been denied that right, but because the Federal government could have merely recognized the descendents of Cherokee slaves as a separate nation from the Cherokee. It permanently tainted my opinion of Cherokee (as a nation, not on any individual level) because it's a right they didn't need to exercise even if they were entitled to. How do you kick your cousins out of the family? It's shameful.

Then again, it's not surprising since the laws prior to reconstruction were written to make as many people as possible count as black and the least number possible count as native. I found that aspect interesting as a kid since by-and-large slavery isn't very relevant to Canada's history, but the general idea was always to reduce who was owed anything and increase who could be owned.

Yeah that was a low.They deserved recognition.


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04 Apr 2020, 4:14 pm

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Blacks were only counted as 3/5 of a person, each.


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Women weren't "people" at all.


Neither were blacks. Slave owners got an extra 3/5ths for every human they owned, but the person who earned them that privilege didn't get to count as 3/5th. The idea was to further empower wealthy, slave-owning estates and their owners.


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04 Apr 2020, 4:15 pm

Don’t forget the one drop rule.


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04 Apr 2020, 4:15 pm

Women were considered full persons as far as the census was concerned.....but they didn’t have full human rights.



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04 Apr 2020, 4:21 pm

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Don’t forget the one drop rule.


I don't, but it was difficult to enforce which lead to both 'voluntary negroes', white people and people who could pass as white who insisted on not being accepted as such as well the phenomenon of passing in the first place. Well, that and the internal 'high yella' stereotype.


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04 Apr 2020, 4:23 pm

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Not as much as he discusses our problems.Clean your own house first before you look for dirt in mine.


I am critical of Canada’s flaws. It’s very simply that the magnitude of flaws in the country next to ours is far greater and more deserving of criticism.


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04 Apr 2020, 4:26 pm

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Not as much as he discusses our problems.Clean your own house first before you look for dirt in mine.


I am critical of Canada’s flaws. It’s very simply that the magnitude of flaws in the country next to ours is far greater and more deserving of criticism.


On some of these issues it's not an order of magnitude. Further, since a lot of Canadians like to act like our s**t don't stink on this issue, we need to hold ourselves to a higher standard or concede that that's not a fair attitude to have.


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04 Apr 2020, 5:09 pm

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Misslizard wrote:
Not as much as he discusses our problems.Clean your own house first before you look for dirt in mine.


I am critical of Canada’s flaws. It’s very simply that the magnitude of flaws in the country next to ours is far greater and more deserving of criticism.


On some of these issues it's not an order of magnitude. Further, since a lot of Canadians like to act like our s**t don't stink on this issue, we need to hold ourselves to a higher standard or concede that that's not a fair attitude to have.


On this particular issue Canadians and our leadership are on the moral high ground. We never made any such attempt to withhold mask making raw materials from the USA or anyone, nor has our government been busted high jacking masks from other countries purchase orders. The USA, and the trump administration specifically, are magnitudes worse at playing cooperatively to ensure the safety of all doctors and nurses than we are or Trudeau is.


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04 Apr 2020, 5:12 pm

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On this particular issue Canadians and our leadership are on the moral high ground. We never made any such attempt to withhold mask making raw materials from the USA or anyone, nor has our government been busted high jacking masks from other countries purchase orders. The USA, and the trump administration specifically, are magnitudes worse at playing cooperatively to ensure the safety of all doctors and nurses then we are or Trudeau is.


No argument from me on this.


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04 Apr 2020, 5:55 pm

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Not as much as he discusses our problems.Clean your own house first before you look for dirt in mine.


I am critical of Canada’s flaws. It’s very simply that the magnitude of flaws in the country next to ours is far greater and more deserving of criticism.

I doubt it.You don’t seem to care much about foreign aid.
You lag behind nations poorer than you.
https://www.opencanada.org/features/do- ... reign-aid/
Gee it looks like the crappy old USA gives more aid than you.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... try_donors


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04 Apr 2020, 6:04 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
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Misslizard wrote:
Not as much as he discusses our problems.Clean your own house first before you look for dirt in mine.


I am critical of Canada’s flaws. It’s very simply that the magnitude of flaws in the country next to ours is far greater and more deserving of criticism.


On some of these issues it's not an order of magnitude. Further, since a lot of Canadians like to act like our s**t don't stink on this issue, we need to hold ourselves to a higher standard or concede that that's not a fair attitude to have.


On this particular issue Canadians and our leadership are on the moral high ground. We never made any such attempt to withhold mask making raw materials from the USA or anyone, nor has our government been busted high jacking masks from other countries purchase orders. The USA, and the trump administration specifically, are magnitudes worse at playing cooperatively to ensure the safety of all doctors and nurses than we are or Trudeau is.

Hmmmm looks like you have plenty of masks.Why do you want ours then if we are short?
And we also sent tons of supplies to China.
https://www.thechronicleherald.ca/news/ ... na-430137/
You are the one beating your chest crowing how great Canada is.
Say, are you all still clubbing baby’s seals in the head?
https://www.immigroup.com/news/top-10-s ... out-canada


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