Trump tests positive for coronavirus

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You're very adept at dancing around facts like they weren't here.

Don't moan about Blabby's mental capacity when you're not able to corroborate your messianic prophecies without resorting to petty BS.

Trump could still die from this condition & more than a million cases support that painfully obvious possibility .

Let me be perfectly clear, presidential misconduct around a pathogen severe enough to kill the president is a strategic weakness you cannot possibly defend. Nevermind nobody in this country likes the guy until he promises to make their enemies suffer, it's still f*****g awful what he let happen to himself & we're dissatisfied with the office, not merely the public servant. You know what would be really heroic? Not treating the CDC's worst nightmare like Ferris Bueller's Day Off.

Get the delusion of grandeur out of your skulls, American presidents are pencil pushers at best & murderous sickos at worst.

You've got a better idea than masks that doesn't involve mass graves? We're all ears.

Stop giving lip service to the king of daytime TV con artists & rain down upon us your superior ideas then.

Wow...Trying to determine if there was any factual basis to an assertion made (there wasn't) is now "dancing around the facts"...

Could you, by any chance, clarify what "messianic prophecies" I have, as thus far all I have tried to do is determine the factual basis (or lack thereof) of an assumption someone made, yet you seem to see wanting to determine\clarify facts (or lies\assumptions presented as facts) as being a bad thing...

Why can’t Trump do his 14 days’ quarantine like the rest of us?

I “served my sentence.”

He’s lucky he was taken care of so well.

I was told that I “probably had COVID19,” told to take Tylenol and Advil, stay home for 14 days, and NOT to call the doctor in the morning. And I understood that there were many people more serious ill than I was.

The number of persons infected in connection to the White House is now at least 42:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Hou ... 9_outbreak

Two persons - former governor Chris Christie and White House security chief Crede Bailey - are hospitalized. The latter is reportedly gravely ill, but he was apparently infected before the Amey Coney Barrett event on 26 september.

And all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff are in isolation.

I wouldn't be surprised if this number keeps climbing, though, as Trump's current behavior puts additional White House staffers at risk of infection.

The answer why is because Donald J. trump is a sociopath with a huge ego. Everything must be about him all of the time in his world. So, he does things to self-promote, even if they are dangerous to others. He has a very low opinion over anybody but himself, so he does not care if he infects others during his self-promotional tours (like his limo ride). He should be placed in doctor ordered quarantine without any means of him to do these stunts. I bet he would get better fast if put in that position, as it would be something he could not stand: not being in the news.

Are you a Trump Fanboy?

To be clear, I am not.
Some seem to jump to that erroneous conclusion.

I am also not a fanboy of the Democrat's candidate.
I won't be voting for either one of them. <irony>

Not that I was aware of...I'm just trying to determine the truth (or lack thereof) behind assertions which appear unlikely and/or unfounded.

Apparently, trying to determine the truth is a bad thing when it shows that something the "anti-Trump" side wish to believe (or have others believe) is not in fact true...

That's what I thought.

As Sheldon Cooper would say: "It seems they butchered a pig, but no one wanted pork."

So this kerfuffle is over a misunderstanding?
Huh.

Dude, that is trolling right there you just mentioned. You agree with someone's view but you still decide to argue with them anyway about it acting like you don't agree.

02 The Persistent Debate Troll



https://www.lifewire.com/types-of-inter ... ls-3485894

Sound familiar?

As a registered nurse with some 30 years experience, and a PhD in biology, I have some qualifications to discuss the issues around treatment of the covid 19 infections.

No one, except possibly the doctors and a few people around the president, know exactly what happened, how he was treated or why.

What we do know about covid 19 infections and treatment is relevant to the discussion, and these have been pointed out repeatedly. The data from the CDC shows steroids are beneficial when a patient has difficulty breathing. Steroids are not used prior to that because they suppress the immune system, which you don't want to do when a patient has an infection. Steroids have deleterious side effects and their use is limited. Steroids also tend to make people feel better than they are. In other words, it reduces the appearance of the illness.

Many of us (I hope it is many) want to use discussions rather than attacks in our posts. There is little informational value in attacking the veracity of a post without providing conflicting documentation.

AB and cberg and others deepsouth, for example, have made intelligent contributions to this discussion , even if they do not have the required qualifications (and I don't know what qualifications they may or may not have.) They are knowledgeable persons with good minds. Attacking them does not move along the discussion.

There are many reasons to be cautious and concerned in the US right now. I believe this thread has been informative up to this point. I want to thank the participants.

As I've said once before, my only medical qualifications [or lack thereof] are being the son of a registered nurse with over 40 years of experience in multiple fields, and a biology 101 class in college [which I didn't even have to take the lab course for]. When all of this pandemic business began, I too was skeptical about the wearing of cloth masks as being effective, and also wondered if achieving "herd immunity" made any sense with this virus. However, as I have no medical qualifications, I consult those who DO have qualifications. I seek out academic studies and papers written about the subjects. Turns out, according to the research professionals, masks DO offer at least a 50% reduction in risk [up to 74% reduction in risk, depending on the mask materials, how carefully it is worn, and how long one spends near an infected individual]. Turns out, people can become re-infected with this virus, and said virus can easily overwhelm even the best of modern first-world healthcare systems, so "achieving herd immunity" is a fools errand which will lead to the unnecessary deaths of millions. Watching and reading media coverage of the virus, as well as listening to what my mother [the Registered Nurse in my family] says about the pandemic, even THE PROFESSIONALS themselves consult others in medicine to learn more about the virus, as they know that whilst their own medical experience may well be quite voluminous, it does not include experience working with this particular virus.

Therefore, like most of the rest of us, [again] medical professionals consult with OTHER medical professionals to learn more about the COVID-19 pandemic and do not presuppose that they know everything about all viruses because they have once been sick themselves, and they also do not presuppose that if they recovered from this particular virus that everyone else will be just as safe recovering from it as they were. Certain folks seem to be treating the pandemic like Sarah Palin when she said "I can see Russia from my house!" which was an answer to a question about how prepared she might be to tackle Russian foreign policy. As another commenter here indicated, I can often see the moon, Venus, and Mars from my yard, but that does not make me an expert in the field of planetary astronomy.

I can respect and understand the inclination to question what one sees/hears/reads from the media, but when lives are at stake [including our own] and what we are all being asked to do is minimally invasive and not permanent, for the love of Jah, just socially distance, wear a mask, stay home if you aren't able to wear a mask, take the safe and effective vaccine when it is ready, and if you are exposed to COIVD-19 LISTEN TO THE PROFESSIONALS whether or not you have a negative test result and quarantine. The sooner everyone bites the bullet and LISTENS TO THE PROFESSIONALS, the sooner we can all return to a more normal quality of life. Otherwise, it seems as if we will have to wait for all of the know-more-than-scientists-do folks to catch the virus and either take stock in their recovery by LISTENING TO THE PROFESSIONALS, or catch the virus and die before we can return to any semblance of normalcy.

P.S. Thank YOU, BlazingStar. If only our politicians were as sensible and hardworking as our nurses, doctors, and medical technicians....

As with everyone else here I'm not medically qualified but I used deductive reasoning to assume he is taking some corticosteroid.

1. He was reported by his physician in the military hospital to have had an episode where his monitored blood oxygen levels dropped indicating at the very least the infection had reached his lungs
2. He broke quarantine to go back to the Whitehouse, he is supposed to spend 14 days in isolation for both his protection and to prevent spreading the disease again. As you know, if I did this in Victoria I would be arrested and jailed but he's the POTUS (shrug!)
3. As he was walking around the whitehouse he was visibly heaving as he breathed. I noticed it, the medical doctors who observed him thought so. In his state he the doctors have a duty of care to prescribe corticosteroids to prevent his lungs getting clogged with phlegm. For patients with severe acute respiratory infection like COVID they have been given a strong corticosteroid called medrol (methylpredmisolone) to reduce inflammation and allow some level of normal breathing.

I am suspecting that's what he's been prescribed but I can't prove it!

Anyone noticed how Pence was at the debate instead of Trump for the last night's debate?

Wasn't that the Vice President's debate though?

Yes, it was the VP debate between Harris and Pence, as originally scheduled. Apparently, the committee on presidential debates [a non-partisan, non-government independent entity] insisted that the debate could not safely occur in its original format, a "town hall" style debate with a live audience question and answer format, and would only allow the two candidates to do so if the debate were held virtually [online]. Upon hearing this news, the president declined the invitation to debate next week altogether. Apparently, Joe Biden has been invited to do a town hall question and answer session by himself on the original date of the second presidential debate.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... ed-us-why/