8 dead in Atlanta area massage parlors shootings

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Only the law should matter. This criminal deserves the death penalty in my opinion. We don't need media or political pundits fabricating motives to smear people because of their skin color or gender or political beliefs or sexual orientation. They are fomenting hate in an attempt to start a race war. It's evil.

Until a psych evaluation is done I am sitting on the "deny-racism exists" camp on this one.

To illustrate do school shooters hate children? They often target a school because of past experiences at that school. Likewise the shooter here had past experience using these women's services. This is not like actual hate crimes where the shooter has am MO with a past, clear motive and usually chooses a target with no prior experience (i.e. a mosque, a church etc) because their target group is there.

The east Asian community has grabbed this to futher their own (legitimate) cause about anti-Asian sentiment during COVID but this man was not killing random asians on the street, he targeted a group for his own reasons.

The only thing is the timing of the shooting amidst an xenophobic wave of anti-Asian sentiment. I sympathjise with east Asians who feel under fire. But this isn't something they need to worry about and this shooter is not a threat to them. He deserves to spend the rest of his life in jail regardless but I am yet to see evidence of a hate-crime.

The reality is that 'woke' idiots continue to assume the existence of a hate crime solely based on the skin color, gender, religious beliefs and sexual orientation of the individuals involved even when evidence clearly indicates otherwise as is the case with this shooting. I assume their hate comes from their own personal hatred of others but it is possible I am wrong. Regardless it is incredibly sad and only serves to foment further hate and division.

There's an interesting cross-over here with George Floyd.

There's also no direct evidence that Derek Chauvin committed a hate crime either. But there is some nuance.


The police have a puported history of targetting black men (whether statistics support this is irrelevant since all African Americans are wary of the police)
Chauvin appeared to to be quite confortable and may have smirked as he was applying a knee to Floyd
The video served to reinforce existing stereotypes of police brutality

In contrast the Atlanta shooter has no history of mental illness, no history of targeting Asian people. I also notice the African American community aren't showing much solidarity with Asian-Americans at this time which might have something to do with a disproportionate number of attacks being perpetrated by black men and historic tensions with Asian community who tend to ally themselves with white Americans.

The guy was sort of like Elliot Rodger......

He said the dependence on the massage places made him do it.....

Sex addiction is a real thing. What I understand these girls are very very good at the art of pleasure massage and I wouldn't be surprised if he burned thousands of dollars and regretted his lack of self-control afterward.

I feel like it was more a hatred of people who work in massage parlors----than hatred of Asians, per se.

Probably a combination.

It's possible he developed a hated for these girls but let's say he hated Asians wouldn't he be like the actor Liam Neeson and go hunting for anyone who looked Asian?

The Asian thing is only secondary, I believe----if at all.

At best he may have noted these girls were Asians but his conditioning seemed to be based around his own inability to control himself rather than the ethnicity of the girls.

He loaded a weapon and walked out his door with it, planning to kill people.
Then he did so.
Some people go to their doctor, getting psychotropics to help with mental/emotional/psychological problems, or to get a referral for counseling.
He did not.
He killed people.
His problems/issues/compulsions are not a reason for people to die.

True but this heinous crime isn't a justification for fabricating a story to smear others for their skin color and religious beliefs. The hate and lies must end. We cannot tolerate it. We are better than that.

Whoever he killed, however they supported themselves, whatever his emotional/sexual/psychological problems or compulsions were, no matter how unhappy he was, he chose and planned to commit a deliberate crime and end people’s lives.
His misery or anger does not excuse or justify ending people’s lives.
Concern for his feelings should be equaled by concern for the heartbreak of his victims’ families.

The killer isn't being smeared for his skin colour.

There's been a trend of violence against East Asian diaspora. This spree killing occurred during that trend, so speculation that it's part of the pattern isn't unwarranted and is based on that trend not on the race of the perpetrator.

I didn't say the killer was being smeared for his skin color. Don't make stuff up to justify hate.

Would one assign hate/racism to the DC Carjacking that happened last weekend?