Anyone Keeping Up With the January 6th Riot?

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13 Aug 2021, 8:33 pm

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I know what was going through her mind because she said so.

Really? So when, let's say, Tulsi Gabbard says that she attacked Obama's foreign policy because she legitimately objected to it, you're going to believe her because she said that's why she did it, rather than speculating about how she must have done it to appeal to FOX News? When Republicans introduce voter ID laws, you're going to believe them when they say they're extremely concerned about voter fraud because that's what they say? I've got to say, I'm looking forward to this new outlook from you, and keeping you honest when you stray from it.

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Just because she wasn't in the same building doesn't mean she can't have been traumatized.

Arguable, but how does she get a specific threat, rape, from people she never even encountered? It's not even like she can claim someone yelled it from the crowd, it's simply a claim she's making based on no actual evidence.

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I call Carlson, (F)ucker, because he's more than earned my derision. He's demeaned those in pain (AOC, the officers who defended the capitol), denied that white nationalism exists when he surely knows it does, exploited racist conspiracy theories such as "the Great Replacement," and is now chummy with authoritarian strongmen in Hungary and around the globe. He's more than earned the (F) I've given him.

Yeah yeah, you don't like Tucker, and I'm sure he wouldn't like you very much either, none of that changes the fact that it's childish and undignified, and that it reflects poorly on you and not him. I'll also bet money that you've never actually sat down and watched Tucker, and that your opinion is completely formed from partisan sources describing him rather than first hand exposure. You might be surprised when he says stuff that you'd agree with, which is actually why liberals fear him so much, he's not a straight conservative and is adept at co-opting leftist ideas.

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14 Aug 2021, 4:03 am

Brictoria wrote:

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She's a rape survivor

So what? That isn't a license to make irresponsible accusations that can't be supported, and it certainly doesn't make it out of bounds to question her account, which has grown progressively more harrowing in the months since January. If anything, as a survivor she should be extra conscientious not cheapening the issue by trying to use it to score political points.

Rape survivors have PTSD...the idea of thousands of violent men rushing toward her (AOC) is self-evidently going to trigger an episode for her. I think Tucker Carlson should have thought twice before shooting his mouth off.

For some reason, I seem to recall someone on the forum claiming in another case that a person who was the victim of sexual assault had nothing to worry about from a lone male in a secluded area telling her that "he would do what he wanted and she may not like it", which would also potentially trigger PTSD in her... How would this be any different (particularly as in this case the "victim" was in a completely different building to that in which the "mostly peaceful protesters" were interested in)?

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I seem to recall a moderator explicitly saying the "other case" you are referring to was banned from discussion? interesting how you are trying to creep this back" unfinished business perhaps?

Oh and BTW the person you are claiming was a "victim" was charged with making a false phonecall to 911" so that's a non-sequitur"

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14 Aug 2021, 4:34 am

Dox47 wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

I know what was going through her mind because she said so.

Kraichgauer wrote:

Just because she wasn't in the same building doesn't mean she can't have been traumatized.

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It's all a matter of trusting people who deserve it. Carlson hardly qualifies.
As a matter of cat, I used to watch Carlson on CNN's Crossfire. I actually agreed with him from time to time.
But these, days, he's gone out of his way to be a professional douchebag.

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14 Aug 2021, 4:45 am

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Brictoria wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

Dox47 wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

She's a rape survivor

I seem to recall a moderator explicitly saying the "other case" you are referring to was banned from discussion? interesting how you are trying to creep this back" unfinished business perhaps?

You mean this?

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Until this matter is fully resolved one way or the other - create no further threads on or relating to it, because it seems very likely they'd go the same acrimonious and fruitless way.

You may have noticed, I'm not creating a thread, nor was I attempting to (p)re-litigate the issue (if you look carefully, you will notice that I specifically mentioned only a single item which was relevent to the point I was making, and avoided anything else connected to\identifying that case\issue?) - merely pointing out the hypocracy behind someone asserting words that could easily be construed as threatening to a sexual assault victim, in a secluded area, were "innocent" and could not have triggered PTSD, whilst also declaring that being in a completely different (secure) building to a "mostly peaceful protest" was apparently enough to trigger PTSD.

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Oh and BTW the person you are claiming was a "victim" was charged with making a false phonecall to 911" so that's a non-sequitur"

As stated above: I'm not interested in trying to stretch (break) rules imposed by the site admin to re-litigate a dismissed charge.

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14 Aug 2021, 4:56 am

According to AOC

"I'm a survivor of sexual assault," she said in an Instagram Live video on Monday night, fighting back tears. "And I haven't told many people that in my life."

The 31-year-old self-described democratic socialist disclosed little about her sexual assault ordeal, but said: "When we go through trauma, trauma compounds on each other."

She recounted how she concealed herself behind her office's bathroom door, and glimpsed a white man storming into her office, shouting: "Where is she? Where is she?"

The congresswoman said it was a Capitol Police officer, but he looked at her with "anger and hostility" and did not identify himself as a member of law enforcement.

Ms Ocasio-Cortez said she and her staff did not know whether the officer was there to "help us, or hurt us".
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55897922

It's sets women's rights back to the middle ages when you accuse somebody traumatised by the capitol riots because of previous sexual assault of making it up for political gain.

The republicans notably did the same thing to Dr Christine Blaisey-Ford when she gave her sexual assault testimony against Trump supreme court nominee Brett Kavanaugh.

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14 Aug 2021, 5:00 am

BTW Brictoria, if you are looking for interesting legal cases to follow (I read this on another thread) then how about these?

In the seven months since a mob of rioters stormed the U.S. Capitol more than 570 people had been arrested in connection with the siege, according to the Department of Justice.

The flood of people who streamed onto Capitol grounds that day left federal authorities with an immense task: finding and charging those responsible. Despite the pace of arrests, prosecutors said in July they still have yet to identify hundreds of people accused of committing violent acts on Capitol grounds, including assaulting law enforcement officers.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-capitol ... ts-latest/

Should make fascinating reading...looking forward to hours of trials

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14 Aug 2021, 5:19 am

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Oh, but I have been following them: I just didn't want to interrupt this orgy of self-rightiousness and condemnation of others that so many here seemed to be enjoying...

There's all sorts of interesting cases being reported, such as:

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A three-judge appeals court panel has ordered the release of West Virginia sandwich shop owner George Tanios pending trial in the Jan. 6 chemical-spray assault on three police officers including Brian D. Sicknick, who died the following day after suffering two strokes.

A lower court “clearly erred in its individualized assessment of appellant’s dangerousness,” the judges from the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit said in an order filed Monday night.

“The record reflects that Tanios has no past felony convictions, no ties to any extremist organizations, and no post-January 6 criminal behavior that would otherwise show him to pose a danger to the community within the meaning of the Bail Reform Act,” the panel’s order said.

Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/sicknick-defendant-released-capitol-riot/2021/08/09/54cc8c38-f97e-11eb-9c0e-97e29906a970_story.html

With the time many of those charged have been denied bail (and so been in custody), there may be a large number of "guilty" charges sentenced to "time served" in "plea-deals" purely because the time already served exceeds the maximum allowable jail time for the charges and so it's cheaper for defendants to take the guilty plea and be released than to pay lawyers to fight on when they get no compensation for the time they were incarcerated (which would likely continue through to the resolution of the case) if found not guilty.

I'm also looking forward to seeing the video evidence when it is released - There's already some around showing the security in the building making no effort to stop several people in black clothing (reminiscent of that worn in many previous "mostly peaceul protests") unlocking doors to allow others to enter...

Curiously, I haven't seen any cases for "insurrection", or anything remebling this... Maybe you could point out the cases regarding this (as oposed to "riot" or "trespass" type charges)?

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14 Aug 2021, 7:08 am

Alas Brictoria the Washington Post paywall prevents me from reading about your Capitol riot angel

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14 Aug 2021, 8:13 am

cyberdad wrote:

Alas Brictoria the Washington Post paywall prevents me from reading about your Capitol riot angel

You might want to try firefox with "noscript" and\or "ublock origins" (Or, "learn to code", and look at the page source - The text is there).

This actually popped up, while catching up on a backlog I had and may have some impact as well, which I hadn't considered earlier:

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I note that you are still putting words into people's mouths: Could you please indicate exactly where I stated (or even inferred) that they were an "angel"...

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14 Aug 2021, 9:19 pm

Before I was thrown out of the link you provided I could see a poster with the image of the man released by authorities with the caption underneath his mugshot saying "hero" like he was somehow sent by god to attack the capitol building :lol:

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14 Aug 2021, 9:55 pm

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You may want to get your eyes checked, then (or do a little research) - The person on the poster is Brian Sicknick, the officer who died of a stroke the day after the "mostly peaceful protest" (this is also noted in the description below the photograph)...

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It looks like firefox and "uBlock origin" is all that is needed to view page.

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15 Aug 2021, 12:43 am

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How can you call the heroic police officers, who were so terribly attacked, liars? How can any decent human being call the arrested perpetrators "political Prisoners?"

They've been brainwashed by a cult and are convinced that what they're doing makes them the decent human beings.

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15 Aug 2021, 2:29 am

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It looks like firefox and "uBlock origin" is all that is needed to view page.

Yes that's all I saw, the poster with the image. If it's a deceased police officer then RIP

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15 Aug 2021, 4:40 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

It's all a matter of trusting people who deserve it. Carlson hardly qualifies.

Carlson wasn't the one making a completely unsubstantiated claim, he was mocking someone for making such a claim. I'm also not sure why you're so quick to so completely trust a politician, though I suspect it has something to do with what letter follows her name.

Even PolitiFact, hardly a bastion of right wing views, will tell you that AOC isn't exactly a font of truth:

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/l ... sio-cortez

Fully 60% false or pants on fire...

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15 Aug 2021, 5:09 am

Interesting, non-paywalled interview with an attorney formerly with the Innocence Project representing some of the Capitol Rioters, worth reading if you want a more nuanced view of the story and/or care about criminal justice reform regardless of the partisan politics of the accused:

https://mtracey.substack.com/p/dc-guant ... ey-alleges

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15 Aug 2021, 5:31 am

You know what's incredibly ironic. These MAGAs getting the crap beaten out of them in jail, prior to getting arrested would have been the first to cry "Blue lives matter" during the BLM riots and ridiculed black people brutalised police as p*****s.

It may actually be educational for them to learn the cops can turn on their lily white asses just as quickly as their enemies in BLM.

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