Emergence of a Deadly Coronavirus
Is it legal where you are and is there a pot drought? I've been wondering about how restrictions might affect illegal drugs trade.
Hmmm, now you need to wear a mask and a pair of disposable gloves while selling illegal drugs?
But really? Homeless people are being temporarily housed in vacant hotels, who will feed their addictions? With borders being closed, drug prices will rocket with inevitable consequences. I would imagine that the police and army will need to patrol some inner-city areas.
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As a result of the narrow testing criteria, sick people with potential exposure to the coronavirus are being sent home, and some experts fear that India's caseload could be much higher than government statistics indicate.
Fifty two!!
That's madness.
I bought a humidifier today, as Jimmy had suggested earlier in the thread!
My younger was fascinated by it.
Even if it isn't specifically helpful for Covid, it's great since my elder rarely drinks water, so it'll help him with discomfort swallowing and breathing...
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ITALY
Once the beacon of European fun, frivolity, fashion, food, and passion, Italy has fast fallen into the shadows of a ghost nation, debauched by the coronavirus, a cracking medical infrastructure, and rising death toll.
Outside of China, the illustrious nation of 60.5 million has become the focal point of the outbreak, with the second-highest number of infections. As of Wednesday afternoon, almost 14,500 people were documented to have contracted the disease and almost 3,000 people have already died. The past 24 hours have brought about the country’s highest single-day spike in deaths, claiming the lives of over 475 people. More than 2,000 people are hospitalized and in intensive care.
So what went wrong?
“The massive and sudden surge of seriously and critically ill patients has completely overwhelmed hospitals in the northern region of Italy,” Dr. Dena Grayson, a Florida-based medical doctor and biotechnology consultant, explained. “This sudden surge has caused the case-fatality rate to skyrocket in the northern region of Italy, because there simply aren’t enough ICU beds or ventilators for every patient, forcing doctors with the grim decision of picking who gets the ICU bed – and has a chance of surviving – versus who doesn’t, and likely won’t survive.”
Moreover, Grayson stressed, Italians have lagged in broad-based coronavirus testing, despite it proving effective in combating the spread.
“In one small town near Venice, where aggressive testing and retesting was employed — even of people with NO symptoms — coupled with contact tracing and strict quarantines, the spread of the virus was completely stopped, showing that South Korea’s approach can be applied in other countries with great success.”
According to one Rome-based security expert, who requested anonymity as not authorized to speak on the record, intelligence reports alerted the government to the potential pandemic just days after its infiltrated China late last year. But weeks went by before any serious action was taken in Rome.
And then, it was a little too late.
“Everyone was just being told it was China’s problem,” said the source. “That it wouldn’t come here.”
However, others claim that some of the familial and cultural markers that define Italian way-of-life may have, in this case, exacerbated the outbreak.
A new report published on the Open Science Framework by researchers at the University of Oxford over the weekend affirmed that Italy bestows one of the oldest populations globally – 23.3 percent of citizens are over the age of 65 – and many households are multigenerational, either still living under the same roof or close by with frequent large family interactions.
“It is becoming clear that the pandemic’s progression and impact may be strongly related to the demographic composition of the population,” the research paper states. “Specifically, the population age structure.”
Compared to much of Europe and even the world, Italy also has one of the longest life expectancies, averaging 82.5 years, according to the World Bank. By comparison, the U.S.'s is 78.6. Based on what scientists know so far about the coronavirus, officially referred to as COVID-19, the older one is, the more vulnerable they are to dying from associated complications spurred on by the infection.
“Italians are incredibly communal, social people who live in multigenerational family clusters and multifamily housing units. Social distancing is the opposite of Italian culture,” noted Dr. Summer McGee, dean of the School of Health Sciences at the University of New Haven. “The wonderful family and community-centric nature of Italians has become their greatest vulnerability in the time of a global pandemic.”
Nonetheless, Italy was one of the first nations to quickly impose a travel ban on all flights from China after detecting its first case of the novel virus on January 29, 2020. The following day, Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte declared a state of emergency for a minimum period of six months. But within 20 days, that single case had ballooned into more than 12,000.
It was on February 18 that doctors in the small northern town of Codogno confirmed what was believed to be the first “non-imported” coronavirus case in a 38-year-old man who was hospitalized with a persistent and dangerously high fever.
The vital and ensuing weeks that followed were – as was the case in much of the world forced to grapple with the unique disease – hamstrung by internal politics and debate over whether worries were being overblown and the severe economic repercussions that would stem from more stringent measures being put in place.
“Italy was in a bit of denial and did not move fast enough to engage in social distancing and lockdown measures. This is the same problem we now are seeing in the United States,” McGee cautioned. “Spring Breakers are still filling our beaches in Florida and traveling around the country in the same way Italians gathered in restaurants and piazzas for weeks before locking down.”
But the viral bomb exploded with full force, and the healthcare system quickly reached a critical point.
Limited travel restrictions in some of the hardest-hit areas were put in place on March 1, but as infection rates began multiplying seemingly on the hour every hour, a full nationwide lockdown was ordered by Conte on early last week.
For some Italians consumed by the suffering, the anger is largely aimed not only at their own leadership – but the Chinese government, amid a swirl of reports that indicate Beijing knew about the disease for several weeks before alerting officials at the World Health Organization (WHO) and embarked on their campaign of covering up the mess and apprehending those who dared speak out.
“There was no alarm to start with,” said Laris Gaiser, a security studies expert and member of the Italian Team for Security, Terroristic Issues and Managing Emergencies (ITSTIME). “The Chinese deception on the issue has been huge.”
In Gaiser’s view, Italy’s problem once the virus hit was perpetuated by the fact that it has a very high rate of elderly persons, a low number of intensive care hospital beds – less than 5,000 versus some 25,000 in nearby Germany – and challenges with crisis management.
“At the very beginning, this was an issue due to political competition between regions and the central government who did not seem to understand the situation,” he explained.
Epidemiologists now assume that for weeks before that initial January 29 detection, coronavirus was spreading unhinged and likely through young, healthy individuals who exhibited no or very mild symptoms. Some medical experts speculate that there were more than likely deaths from pneumonia and other coronavirus-related causes during that time period too, but the patients were not tested for coronavirus as very little was known about the disease, and the Chinese government was for a long time insisting that it could not be transmitted through human to human contact.
While most Italians are accepting of the omnious rope that has been placed around their once abundant lives – working from home, video-chatting with friends and family, cooking, reading, forming choirs and singing songs from their balconies – some expressed frustration toward those not adhering to the strict lockdown.
“There are imbeciles who go outside without any real needs, and the virus continues to spread,” lamented one Bari-based professional. “Going for jogs and walks without any reason. We’re told to stay indoors, but people still aren’t understanding what is really happening.”
Andrew Huff, a California-based infectious disease epidemiologist, warned that the wave engulfing Italy might very well be the United States in two to three weeks’ time.
“There are major disruptions to supply chains taking place, and it (has been) confirmed that the disease is being spread via aerosols and fomites,” he said. “That means big trouble.”
And even though the government-mandated shutdown across the country has been enforced through to April 2, the vast majority of Italians are preparing for it stretch out significantly longer.
Yet for many trapped inside the painfully somber nation, it has come down to mourning and waiting game, steeped in tragedy and the unknown. In some of the hardest-hit areas, local cemetery churches have been hurriedly converted into makeshift morgues, and the days ahead are only set to become darker.
“Italians are now really experiencing a team-working approach,” Gaiser added. “Economically, we know this is going to be worse than a war.”
Source: Worse than war: How coronavirus in Italy proliferated to a breaking point
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A very unique plan. As Dr. Paul Thompson wrote, "This is the very best paper on the virus I have ever seen."
I suspect it may be: Only *some* people are able to catch it twice.
In the context I think you are using.
That means even if everyone got tested, they would need tested twice (to see if they are recovered, or to see if they got a second round, or even to re-check the people who were negative).
If it keeps mutating, and we keep re-catching it, then that would mean a much shorter lifespan for the human species.
I have heard the coronavirus *is* mutating, but to a weaker form.
I have also heard that the same happened to SARS, hence it's disappearance.
I suspect it may be: Only *some* people are able to catch it twice.
In the context I think you are using.
That means even if everyone got tested, they would need tested twice (to see if they are recovered, or to see if they got a second round, or even to re-check the people who were negative).
If it keeps mutating, and we keep re-catching it, then that would mean a much shorter lifespan for the human species.
I have heard the coronavirus *is* mutating, but to a weaker form.
I have also heard that the same happened to SARS, hence it's disappearance.
the novel by Dean Koontz mentioned it will disappear suddenly and nobody will know why.
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I would guess that Italy is a major tourist destination for Chinese people....and vice versa.
It has been suggested that Italy was affected by Chinese workers, from ground zero in China.
Not really. For some unexplainable reason, Poland is a popular destination among the Japanese but not the Chinese.
The Japanese and Chinese "have a history".
I am not surprised they avoid each other.
That is a simple fact.
Anyone suggesting talk such as this is racism is a dummy doo doo.
But there are a lot of "dummy doo doos" out there.
I would guess that Italy is a major tourist destination for Chinese people....and vice versa.
I would have to look a while for it, but saw somewhere earlier in this thread where someone mentioned bringing workers from China to Italy for manufacturing jobs and many trips between the two countries for exporting certain foods made in Italy and sent to China.
Yep, I mentioned it pages ago.
I am so god damn amazing even I am amazed.
Pepe the informed.
Always ahead of the curve.
Maybe that will convince people some that covid-19 doesn't equil instant death.
3% of who get it die. No one wants to be the 3% it’s that simple.so tired of people acting like it’s fine up until they or someone they know becomes one of the 3%. No one should have to die so people just have to deal with inconveniences so people don’t die and stop being selfish
Incorrect, imo.
3% of older people in a certain age group die.
Not 3% of those who catch it.
You are a relative baby, at 32. No need for you to be concerned for yourself.
If you get it, just don't spread it around.
Don't quote me, but the death rate for those over 80 is more like 15%?
This is the only way we will know the extent of the COVID-19 infiltration.
The United Emirates had mass testing, Russia, too. Other nations, too.
Both the UAE and Russia had relatively low levels of COVID-19.
Good point.
Sometimes the symptoms are so mild, people don't even know they have it.
As I have mentioned before, I think the death rate ratio to people infected has been exaggerated, since there would be so many out there who contracted coronavirus and just shrugged it off without thinking about it.
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I don't mean to put China down, but the place is pretty archaic in many ways compared to the US and UK etc.
The Truth is never politically incorrect.
But some make it so.
Obviously, there are plenty of other parts of the world who lack proper health measures.
But that doesn't negate the fact that China needs to look at their food market practices.
This isn't their first "rodeo" after all.
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Why did you copy only part of the article and not provide a link to read the rest?
US markets have now wiped out all the gains made during Donald Trump’s presidency, as the New York Stock Exchange announced it will shut its trading f...
Parents ignoring the Prime Minister’s advice and plucking their kids out of school over coronavirus concerns are causing chaos for teachers and office..
The company behind the NBN will temporarily cut some of its charges to internet providers next week due to the coronavirus. But there’s one big catch ...
Why did you copy only part of the article and not provide a link to read the rest?
It is behind a paywall.
I haven't subscribed, and don't intend to.
