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19 Mar 2020, 6:23 am

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United States.

Day 58.
Total cases: 9,464
Mild cases: 99%
Serious/critical cases: 1%
Total deaths: 155.

In 58 days 155 people out of 330 million have died from covid-19.

In the United States about 7,700 people die each day.


I remember when I started reading Japanese, there was a story where a greedy local lord, eager to prove his superiority, challenged a wise man to come and play him in a game of shogi, with the promise that if the wise man won the lord would grant him his wish. The wise man won, to the lord's shock, and holding true to his promise the lord asked him what he wanted. The wise man said that on the first day he wanted just a single grain of rice, then on the next day he would get twice that much bringing it to 2, and then twice that much on the day after, and so on. He wanted this process to continue for 30 days in total. The lord was surprised by this request, and thought the wise man was a fool. He agreed to the wise man's request.

And so on the first day, the wise man got his single grain of rice, and the local lord thought this was easy peasy. Then the next day, he gave the wise man 2 grains of rice. On day 9, he got 256 grains of rice. On day 15, he got 16,384 grains of rice, and it was around this time that the lord's men started noticing that the bags they were giving to the wise man were getting a little heavy. On day 25, they had to give the wise man 16,777,216 grains of rice, and they were having to use several chariots to transport it. Then the day after that, it was 33,554,432 grains of rice. On day 27, it was 67,108,864 grains. On day 28, it was 134,217,728 grains of rice. On day 29, it was 268,435,456 grains of rice. And on the final day, it was 536,870,912 grains of rice. "I'm ruined!" the local lord cried out, and he was a lot poorer for the whole arrangement.

I think this story has a lesson for us in our current situation. Can you see the lesson, Ezra?


No because it has been going on over 100 days the number of cases and is not remotely close to the factor given in that parable. Therefore it does not apply.

I prefer to stick with what has actually transpaired rather than litterally going by fairytales.


You're being unfair to me, here. The purpose of the story was only to show how exponential growth can surprise people, not to literally argue that the cases double every day. And I'm sure you understood that, but because of our past history here, you have a problem with me, so you interpret my arguments in a way to put them in the worst light possible.

If we want to play games where we knock down strawmen and talk past each other, I can do that, too. Here's an example: Apparently, Ezra thinks that because the death toll is now only100, it can never reach 10,000 or 100,000. He doesn't seem to understand that the situation is evolving and cases are currently growing exponentially.

You are probably going to protest that this is unfair, but I just wanted you to know how it feels to have your argument misrepresented, like you did just now with me.


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19 Mar 2020, 6:24 am

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With 1,843 out of 25 million people contracting it in 54 days, the odds of Pepe catching it are higher than him getting hit by a bus while sitting in his living room.

Then, I can understand why Pepe is annoyed - panic in Australia seems far more dangerous than the disease itself there.


The panic here in Oz is a disgrace. Very un-Australian.
There is evidence that some hoarders are working in groups.
One example of a group of six using a minivan and "hollowing" out rural supermarkets.
It is suspected the goods, at least some, are being shipped out of Australia.

Morrison is really pissed and he is going to crack down on these animals.

Yep, the disease isn't the main problem.
It is the economy that is/will-be suffering from many people, especially casuals, losing their jobs.



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19 Mar 2020, 6:30 am

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Not seen a single health, government or who official say it’s mutated to less dangerous.


I have heard it mentioned on TV, but not everything said on the media is accurate, of course.
I also have heard the SARS virus disappeared because of this weakening mutation.

My sources are pretty good (mmm, tomato and BBQ) with a good track record, btw. :wink:



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19 Mar 2020, 6:39 am

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This! :) Thank you.

I was thinking that perhaps Australia's much lower population density , ( 25 million over a surface area of 8.6km* which equals 3.3/km* and is the 236th densest in the world ), compared to Europe for example, ( which has a population of 741 million over just 10 million km*, a density of 34/km* , 10 times that of Australia ), could be a factor in slowing spread, as might be the relatively small cities compared to many European ones, but it seems, according to that graph that once spread did take off it began to spread pretty much as fast as elsewhere.


Yep, we have roughly the same landmass as America with only 25 million people.
But most people congregate in large cities.
We have trouble keeping people in rural areas.

In conclusion:
I haven't got a clue. :wink:



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19 Mar 2020, 7:01 am

beneficii wrote:
EzraS wrote:
beneficii wrote:
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United States.

Day 58.
Total cases: 9,464
Mild cases: 99%
Serious/critical cases: 1%
Total deaths: 155.

In 58 days 155 people out of 330 million have died from covid-19.

In the United States about 7,700 people die each day.


I remember when I started reading Japanese, there was a story where a greedy local lord, eager to prove his superiority, challenged a wise man to come and play him in a game of shogi, with the promise that if the wise man won the lord would grant him his wish. The wise man won, to the lord's shock, and holding true to his promise the lord asked him what he wanted. The wise man said that on the first day he wanted just a single grain of rice, then on the next day he would get twice that much bringing it to 2, and then twice that much on the day after, and so on. He wanted this process to continue for 30 days in total. The lord was surprised by this request, and thought the wise man was a fool. He agreed to the wise man's request.

And so on the first day, the wise man got his single grain of rice, and the local lord thought this was easy peasy. Then the next day, he gave the wise man 2 grains of rice. On day 9, he got 256 grains of rice. On day 15, he got 16,384 grains of rice, and it was around this time that the lord's men started noticing that the bags they were giving to the wise man were getting a little heavy. On day 25, they had to give the wise man 16,777,216 grains of rice, and they were having to use several chariots to transport it. Then the day after that, it was 33,554,432 grains of rice. On day 27, it was 67,108,864 grains. On day 28, it was 134,217,728 grains of rice. On day 29, it was 268,435,456 grains of rice. And on the final day, it was 536,870,912 grains of rice. "I'm ruined!" the local lord cried out, and he was a lot poorer for the whole arrangement.

I think this story has a lesson for us in our current situation. Can you see the lesson, Ezra?


No because it has been going on over 100 days the number of cases and is not remotely close to the factor given in that parable. Therefore it does not apply.

I prefer to stick with what has actually transpaired rather than litterally going by fairytales.


You're being unfair to me, here. The purpose of the story was only to show how exponential growth can surprise people, not to literally argue that the cases double every day. And I'm sure you understood that, but because of our past history here, you have a problem with me, so you interpret my arguments in a way to put them in the worst light possible.

If we want to play games where we knock down strawmen and talk past each other, I can do that, too. Here's an example: Apparently, Ezra thinks that because the death toll is now only100, it can never reach 10,000 or 100,000. He doesn't seem to understand that the situation is evolving and cases are currently growing exponentially.

You are probably going to protest that this is unfair, but I just wanted you to know how it feels to have your argument misrepresented, like you did just now with me.


Obviously I should cease discussing this matter with you.



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19 Mar 2020, 7:17 am

EzraS wrote:
beneficii wrote:
EzraS wrote:
beneficii wrote:
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United States.

Day 58.
Total cases: 9,464
Mild cases: 99%
Serious/critical cases: 1%
Total deaths: 155.

In 58 days 155 people out of 330 million have died from covid-19.

In the United States about 7,700 people die each day.


I remember when I started reading Japanese, there was a story where a greedy local lord, eager to prove his superiority, challenged a wise man to come and play him in a game of shogi, with the promise that if the wise man won the lord would grant him his wish. The wise man won, to the lord's shock, and holding true to his promise the lord asked him what he wanted. The wise man said that on the first day he wanted just a single grain of rice, then on the next day he would get twice that much bringing it to 2, and then twice that much on the day after, and so on. He wanted this process to continue for 30 days in total. The lord was surprised by this request, and thought the wise man was a fool. He agreed to the wise man's request.

And so on the first day, the wise man got his single grain of rice, and the local lord thought this was easy peasy. Then the next day, he gave the wise man 2 grains of rice. On day 9, he got 256 grains of rice. On day 15, he got 16,384 grains of rice, and it was around this time that the lord's men started noticing that the bags they were giving to the wise man were getting a little heavy. On day 25, they had to give the wise man 16,777,216 grains of rice, and they were having to use several chariots to transport it. Then the day after that, it was 33,554,432 grains of rice. On day 27, it was 67,108,864 grains. On day 28, it was 134,217,728 grains of rice. On day 29, it was 268,435,456 grains of rice. And on the final day, it was 536,870,912 grains of rice. "I'm ruined!" the local lord cried out, and he was a lot poorer for the whole arrangement.

I think this story has a lesson for us in our current situation. Can you see the lesson, Ezra?


No because it has been going on over 100 days the number of cases and is not remotely close to the factor given in that parable. Therefore it does not apply.

I prefer to stick with what has actually transpaired rather than litterally going by fairytales.


You're being unfair to me, here. The purpose of the story was only to show how exponential growth can surprise people, not to literally argue that the cases double every day. And I'm sure you understood that, but because of our past history here, you have a problem with me, so you interpret my arguments in a way to put them in the worst light possible.

If we want to play games where we knock down strawmen and talk past each other, I can do that, too. Here's an example: Apparently, Ezra thinks that because the death toll is now only100, it can never reach 10,000 or 100,000. He doesn't seem to understand that the situation is evolving and cases are currently growing exponentially.

You are probably going to protest that this is unfair, but I just wanted you to know how it feels to have your argument misrepresented, like you did just now with me.


Obviously I should cease discussing this matter with you.


Finally, he sees the light!
Hallelujah! :mrgreen:

You are a tenacious one.
Impressive. :wink:



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19 Mar 2020, 7:38 am

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It is the economy that is/will-be suffering from many people, especially casuals, losing their jobs.

Probably Australians need to learn from their bush, how to regrow after a disaster.


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19 Mar 2020, 7:39 am

Now my elder is ill since being at his dad's and shivering with temperature feeling like a fever (low grade) but not actually a fever. V weak.
His situation is as vulnerable as the elderly.

im going to try n get us all tested.. It's difficult to procure. Im not too well myself


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19 Mar 2020, 7:44 am

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Public transportation still operating in NYC.

It’s needed for essential workers to get to their jobs.


Perhaps only essential workers (Fire, Police, Healthcare, Utilities) should be allowed to travel on public transportation then for the good of the entire U.S.? Either that or perhaps New York should be sealed off at its borders?



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19 Mar 2020, 7:48 am

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Now my elder is ill since being at his dad's and shivering with temperature feeling like a fever (low grade) but not actually a fever. V weak.
His situation is as vulnerable as the elderly.

im going to try n get us all tested.. It's difficult to procure. Im not too well myself


((( blooie ))) Please take care and let us know how everyone is.


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19 Mar 2020, 8:20 am

{{{{{Blooooie}}}}}}

I hope it all resolves soon. Take care of yourself and your family. I wish they had more widespread testing.



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19 Mar 2020, 8:25 am

((((Blooie))))


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19 Mar 2020, 8:39 am

((((Blooie)))) & ((((family))))



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19 Mar 2020, 9:05 am

Out of about 14,000 tests in Ontario, only 212 came out positive as of 3/18.



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19 Mar 2020, 9:14 am

Great point about some eye-opening hypocrisy by Chinese officials https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... me/608332/


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19 Mar 2020, 9:38 am

Tom Hanks' sister says actor is 'not good, but still OK' amid coronavirus diagnosis

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Tom Hanks' sister is opening up about the actor's positive coronavirus diagnosis, reminding fans that being an actor doesn't make him immune from the worldwide pandemic.

The "A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood" star, 63, has continued to provide fans updates about his and wife Rita Wilson's symptoms -- the latest being that their fevers are gone but they're still enduring "the blahs."

Now, Hanks' sister, Sandra Hanks Benoiton, broke her silence about his diagnosis as she remains in Italy under quarantine.

I have communicated with my brother. He's not great, but still OK," Sandra told the Daily Mail.

Asked if she was shocked by her brother's diagnosis, Sandra replied: "No. He's an actor, not a God [but] medical care in Australia is good."


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