04 Apr 2020, 6:14 pm
funeralxempire
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04 Apr 2020, 6:16 pm
Misslizard wrote:
Slaughtering any more horses?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vice.c ... a-to-japan
Actually the more I read about Canada the worse it seems.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vice.c ... a-to-japan
Actually the more I read about Canada the worse it seems.
Horses are good eatin'.
04 Apr 2020, 6:27 pm
funeralxempire wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Slaughtering any more horses?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vice.c ... a-to-japan
Actually the more I read about Canada the worse it seems.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vice.c ... a-to-japan
Actually the more I read about Canada the worse it seems.
Horses are good eatin'.
Only if I was starving.
04 Apr 2020, 6:29 pm
Misslizard wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Slaughtering any more horses?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vice.c ... a-to-japan
Actually the more I read about Canada the worse it seems.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vice.c ... a-to-japan
Actually the more I read about Canada the worse it seems.
Horses are good eatin'.
Only if I was starving.
Are they real gamey?
04 Apr 2020, 6:41 pm
goldfish21 wrote:
QuantumChemist wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
I said No doctors or nurses or frontline healthcare workers anywhere should go without them. Get masks to all of them. In NYC, USA, Canada, Latin America, and everywhere else.
Zero of them should be in the hands of citizens. Expropriate them from private citizen/corporate stockpiles. Prevent them from being sent anywhere but hospitals.
Zero of them should be in the hands of citizens. Expropriate them from private citizen/corporate stockpiles. Prevent them from being sent anywhere but hospitals.
There are some N95 masks that should not be “expropriated” from private citizens. For example, I have an N95 mask that I got from the university that I work for. I am using it as needed. It is part of my Phone PE (goggles gloves, mask) that I use while in a chemical laboratory setting when working with certain toxic powders that are inhalation hazards. Since it has been exposed to chemical vapors (opened box) while in storage, it cannot be donated for use by a health care provider or first responder. They only want unopened/unused N95 masks that are “clean” to them. As soon as they find out where it was from, they would not touch it if I handed it to them. Funny, they are not scared of certain things, but as soon as you mention chemicals, most of them freak out.
Makes scientific sense to me!
Is your work considered an essential service that Must continue during the pandemic? If not, IMO, zero more masks should be sent to your employer and any unopened sealed boxes should be sent to whichever area hospital needs them.
My work is considered an essential service, as I am maintaining a very expensive piece of equipment (NMR) for the university. If I do not service it, the magnet would quench and cause an explosion in the room. The magnet coil is cooled with liquid nitrogen and liquid helium. The instrument when new cost about the same as a new Ferrari and a new Lamborghini put together. The university does not have the extra money to go buy another one so it is a critical need issue. I have the access letter from the university administration that allows me to travel to and from the university to do this service. I grabbed one of my used masks when I left the lab two weeks ago because I knew that I would potentially need it later on in traveling to and from work.
The department has basically been pushed off site, with the exception of my role and the overall lab supervisor. He has to maintain other instrumentation for the department. We have no need to order N95 masks until the rest of the department is allowed back after all of this is over, since no one is doing lab work right now. The few new masks that we have in the open box in the research lab are not suitable for donation due to chemical vapor exposure issues that I previously mentioned. Most of the rubber bands have started to crack from the vapors. They only last for so long anyways.
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04 Apr 2020, 6:57 pm
Sweetleaf wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Meanwhile apparently China has donated 1,000 ventilators to New York. And Oregon sent 140 as well...perhaps Oregon and China should focus solely on their own, instead of donating medical supplies to different places... 
Agreed!
Every man woman and child for themselves!!Also, <3 your new avatar.
Seems appropriate considering the federal response to this situation.
Off topic:
Seems appropriate considering what we in America have done to ourselves both left and right since 9/11 really.
Trump did not get elected by osmosis. Hillary was a worse choice you say, Democrat voters made their choice.
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04 Apr 2020, 7:12 pm
QuantumChemist wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
QuantumChemist wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
I said No doctors or nurses or frontline healthcare workers anywhere should go without them. Get masks to all of them. In NYC, USA, Canada, Latin America, and everywhere else.
Zero of them should be in the hands of citizens. Expropriate them from private citizen/corporate stockpiles. Prevent them from being sent anywhere but hospitals.
Zero of them should be in the hands of citizens. Expropriate them from private citizen/corporate stockpiles. Prevent them from being sent anywhere but hospitals.
There are some N95 masks that should not be “expropriated” from private citizens. For example, I have an N95 mask that I got from the university that I work for. I am using it as needed. It is part of my Phone PE (goggles gloves, mask) that I use while in a chemical laboratory setting when working with certain toxic powders that are inhalation hazards. Since it has been exposed to chemical vapors (opened box) while in storage, it cannot be donated for use by a health care provider or first responder. They only want unopened/unused N95 masks that are “clean” to them. As soon as they find out where it was from, they would not touch it if I handed it to them. Funny, they are not scared of certain things, but as soon as you mention chemicals, most of them freak out.
Makes scientific sense to me!
Is your work considered an essential service that Must continue during the pandemic? If not, IMO, zero more masks should be sent to your employer and any unopened sealed boxes should be sent to whichever area hospital needs them.
My work is considered an essential service, as I am maintaining a very expensive piece of equipment (NMR) for the university. If I do not service it, the magnet would quench and cause an explosion in the room. The magnet coil is cooled with liquid nitrogen and liquid helium. The instrument when new cost about the same as a new Ferrari and a new Lamborghini put together. The university does not have the extra money to go buy another one so it is a critical need issue. I have the access letter from the university administration that allows me to travel to and from the university to do this service. I grabbed one of my used masks when I left the lab two weeks ago because I knew that I would potentially need it later on in traveling to and from work.
The department has basically been pushed off site, with the exception of my role and the overall lab supervisor. He has to maintain other instrumentation for the department. We have no need to order N95 masks until the rest of the department is allowed back after all of this is over, since no one is doing lab work right now. The few new masks that we have in the open box in the research lab are not suitable for donation due to chemical vapor exposure issues that I previously mentioned. Most of the rubber bands have started to crack from the vapors. They only last for so long anyways.
Glad to read you’re doing your part and not ordering or stocking excess N95’s.
As for anyone’s new special interest in improving Canada for me, by all means, start a petition or something and get my government to behave better.
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04 Apr 2020, 7:23 pm
Fnord wrote:
Magna wrote:
... So he's taking a step here to better ensure the safety of the American citizens and reduce the spread of the virus, which is exactly what everyone wants and exactly what he should be doing.
An American president should take care of Americans first, not Canadians, not Mexican, not Iranians ... Americans!Guess you are right but the masks won't solve the problems. They may only slow down the spreading of the virus a bit if infected people do wear them. But it will spread nevertheless until enough people are immune against it.
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04 Apr 2020, 7:38 pm
quite an extreme wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Magna wrote:
... So he's taking a step here to better ensure the safety of the American citizens and reduce the spread of the virus, which is exactly what everyone wants and exactly what he should be doing.
An American president should take care of Americans first, not Canadians, not Mexican, not Iranians ... Americans!Guess you are right but the masks won't solve the problems. They may only slow down the spreading of the virus a bit if infected people do wear them. But it will spread nevertheless until enough people are immune against it.
They are Necessary for doctors and nurses treating infected patients so that they don’t become infected themselves. Private citizens are waaay down the list of priorities for who needs N95 masks.
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04 Apr 2020, 7:57 pm
Misslizard wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Slaughtering any more horses?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vice.c ... a-to-japan
Actually the more I read about Canada the worse it seems.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vice.c ... a-to-japan
Actually the more I read about Canada the worse it seems.
Horses are good eatin'.
Only if I was starving.
I don't see it as representing a moral difference compared to a pig. Same with dogs, I don't usually eat them unless they're sh*****g in the yard, but I'm not invested in our cultural taboos against eating them.
04 Apr 2020, 8:30 pm
funeralxempire wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Slaughtering any more horses?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vice.c ... a-to-japan
Actually the more I read about Canada the worse it seems.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vice.c ... a-to-japan
Actually the more I read about Canada the worse it seems.
Horses are good eatin'.
Only if I was starving.
I don't see it as representing a moral difference compared to a pig. Same with dogs, I don't usually eat them unless they're sh*****g in the yard, but I'm not invested in our cultural taboos against eating them.
If it’s raised humanely then it’s not really my place to judge.I don’t eat meat that often for personal beliefs but sometimes I slip up.I totally hate factory farms.
The other evening I had to chase a goose that didn’t want to go up for the night and I had visions of it being roasted.
But keep away from my dogs and the iguana.
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