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22 Jun 2020, 12:40 am

How long until Yale gets renamed, having being named after a slave trader, who also condemned people to slavery as a judge?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/conservative-pundit-mocks-cancel-culture-with-tweets-urging-yale-to-change-name-for-slave-trade-link

Seems a rather large monument to slavery waiting for appropriate attention...How could it have been missed so far?



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22 Jun 2020, 12:48 am

Brictoria wrote:
How long until Yale gets renamed, having being named after a slave trader, who also condemned people to slavery as a judge?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/conservative-pundit-mocks-cancel-culture-with-tweets-urging-yale-to-change-name-for-slave-trade-link

Seems a rather large monument to slavery waiting for appropriate attention...How could it have been missed so far?


Thank god our Lord Melbourne was such a decent fellow
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_L ... _Melbourne

Apart from his predication for philandering and his wondering eye...the name stays



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22 Jun 2020, 2:14 am

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I think if people understood why these monuments were put up and how they impacted multiple generations of southern whites they might change their mind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOkFXPblLpU

The UDC are like the female auxillary of the KKK but they were everyday southern white women numbering in their hundreds of thousands, Rather frightening how much power and influence these antebellum enthusiasts had.

But, But they were heroines to womens empowerment and feminism. :D


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22 Jun 2020, 2:36 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
I think if people understood why these monuments were put up and how they impacted multiple generations of southern whites they might change their mind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOkFXPblLpU

The UDC are like the female auxillary of the KKK but they were everyday southern white women numbering in their hundreds of thousands, Rather frightening how much power and influence these antebellum enthusiasts had.

But, But they were heroines to womens empowerment and feminism. :D


Actually despite being such evil wenches I do admire how well they used education text books to spread their propaganda. Goebbels would have been impressed.



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22 Jun 2020, 1:57 pm

Yale University must be next!



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22 Jun 2020, 8:55 pm

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Yale University must be next!


Considering the size and prominence of the university, name recognition, and "severity" of it's namesake's "crimes", as compared to those of the individual statues, it should have been near the top of the list.



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22 Jun 2020, 9:01 pm

Elihu Yale also founded Madras University (the oldest University in India) in addition to Yale University.

Yale has so many thousands of prominent alumni and famous researchers who carry the name of their alma mater with pride so removal of the name is highly unlikely to ever happen.



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22 Jun 2020, 9:29 pm

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Elihu Yale also founded Madras University (the oldest University in India) in addition to Yale University.

Yale has so many thousands of prominent alumni and famous researchers who carry the name of their alma mater with pride so removal of the name is highly unlikely to ever happen.


So, one can safely assume, these people all condone his actions and so agree with them, in the same way that people wishing to have other statues kept (regardless of the reason) are accused?

As to Madras university - Is it named after him (which is the specific concern, given that this would be gloryfing a slave owner, trader, and judge who sentenced people to slavery), or just founded by him?



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22 Jun 2020, 10:03 pm

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As to Madras university - Is it named after him (which is the specific concern, given that this would be gloryfing a slave owner, trader, and judge who sentenced people to slavery), or just founded by him?


University of Madras. Yale was a complicated man. He was also a philanthropist. He was the first governor of Madras in colonial India and helped establish the University through his own pocket. Infact the entire city of Madras (modern Chennai) has many landmarks that he was involved with.



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22 Jun 2020, 10:27 pm

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Brictoria wrote:
As to Madras university - Is it named after him (which is the specific concern, given that this would be gloryfing a slave owner, trader, and judge who sentenced people to slavery), or just founded by him?


University of Madras. Yale was a complicated man. He was also a philanthropist. He was the first governor of Madras in colonial India and helped establish the University through his own pocket. Infact the entire city of Madras (modern Chennai) has many landmarks that he was involved with.


So, it's not really likely to "deserve" a high place on the monument "hit-list", unlike the university named after him which should have been right near the top.

Philanthropy (or any other "good" works) doesn't seem to make any difference in the present climate - 1 "bad" act\thought, and you were irredemably "bad".



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22 Jun 2020, 10:53 pm

Brictoria wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
As to Madras university - Is it named after him (which is the specific concern, given that this would be gloryfing a slave owner, trader, and judge who sentenced people to slavery), or just founded by him?


University of Madras. Yale was a complicated man. He was also a philanthropist. He was the first governor of Madras in colonial India and helped establish the University through his own pocket. Infact the entire city of Madras (modern Chennai) has many landmarks that he was involved with.


So, it's not really likely to "deserve" a high place on the monument "hit-list", unlike the university named after him which should have been right near the top.

Philanthropy (or any other "good" works) doesn't seem to make any difference in the present climate - 1 "bad" act\thought, and you were irredemably "bad".


I think he's still on the hitlist



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23 Jun 2020, 4:46 am

Almost all these leaders of society were a mix of good and bad, and making a study of them, even just on Wikipedia, you'll find they're remembered for both good and bad things - many grey areas.

This statue, in my home city, is the best kind of statue. It was erected as a tribute to the horses who perished during the Anglo-Boer War and shows an unspecified soldier caring for his horse. It was unveiled in 1905. Animals are more deserving of a statue like this one than many of the leaders thus commemorated!


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The inscription says the following:

THE GREATNESS OF A NATION
CONSISTS NOT SO MUCH IN THE NUMBER OF ITS PEOPLE
OR THE EXTENT OF ITS TERRITORY
AS IN THE EXTENT AND JUSTICE OF ITS COMPASSION

ERECTED BY PUBLIC SUBSCRIPTION
IN RECOGNITION OF THE SERVICES OF THE GALLANT ANIMALS
WHICH PERISHED IN THE ANGLO BOER WAR 1899–1902


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23 Jun 2020, 11:46 am

Protesters try to bring down statue of Andrew Jackson near White House

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Protesters tried toppling a statue of former President Jackson near the White House on Monday, according to video footage shared online of the demonstration.

Protesters were heard chanting, “Hey, hey, ho, ho, Andrew Jackson’s got to go” as they climbed on top of the bronze statue of the seventh president in Lafayette Square, outside the White House.

Hundreds of protesters had locked arms around the statue before they were removed from the area by police officers, The Washington Post reported.

Protesters also reportedly had ropes around the statue to pull it down.

Law enforcement used pepper spray to push protesters out of the area, WUSA reported. A reporter for the station on the scene was among those hit by pepper spray.

President Trump slammed the protesters Monday night, "for the disgraceful vandalism, in Lafayette Park, of the magnificent Statue of Andrew Jackson, in addition to the exterior defacing of St. John’s Church across the street."

He added, "10 years in prison under the Veteran’s Memorial Preservation Act. Beware!"


Rhode Island may change its official state name over slavery connotations
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What’s in a name? For the state of Rhode Island, years of acrimony over an official designation with connotations of slavery.

But change is brewing in the union’s smallest state, as Rhode Island Gov. Gina Raimondo signed an executive order Monday taking the “first steps” to change the state’s full name: “The State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations.”

The “plantations” portion has come under increased scrutiny following widespread protests after the killings of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor.

The order, Executive Order 20-48, will change the name to just “Rhode Island” in official communications from the governor’s office — including future executive orders, citations and letterhead. It also calls on all state executive agencies to remove “plantations” from their websites.

The order does not change the state’s official name permanently — that will require voters to amend the Rhode Island Constitution, the order states.

The state Legislature has indicated it will move forward with the referendum after the Rhode Island Senate passed a measure last week calling for a statewide vote on the name change.

The bill was introduced by Rhode Island’s sole black senator, Harold Metts.

“Whatever the meaning of the term ‘plantations’ in the context of Rhode Island’s history, it carries a horrific connotation when considering the tragic and racist history of our nation,” Metts said in a statement to the Providence Journal.

Previous attempts to change the state’s name have failed after the issue was put on the ballot. In 2010, almost 78 percent of voters opposed a constitutional amendment removing “Providence Plantations” from the state’s name.

The recent push for a name change may have started when an online petition began circulating following Floyd’s death.

“Some Rhode Islanders pride themselves on living in the ‘smallest state with the longest name.’ But, the history of how we got this name is often forgotten,” the petition reads. It currently has almost 7,500 signatures.


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23 Jun 2020, 11:56 am

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... President Trump slammed the protesters Monday night, "for the disgraceful vandalism, in Lafayette Park, of the magnificent Statue of Andrew Jackson, in addition to the exterior defacing of St. John’s Church across the street."

He added, "10 years in prison under the Veteran’s Memorial Preservation Act. Beware!"
Surprise!  President Trump does not know what he is talking about!
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18 U.S. Code § 1369.Destruction of veterans’ memorials

(a)Whoever, in a circumstance described in subsection (b), willfully injures or destroys, or attempts to injure or destroy, any structure, plaque, statue, or other monument on public property commemorating the service of any person or persons in the armed forces of the United States shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both.

(b)A circumstance described in this subsection is that—

(1)in committing the offense described in subsection (a), the defendant travels or causes another to travel in interstate or foreign commerce, or uses the mail or an instrumentality of interstate or foreign commerce; or

(2)the structure, plaque, statue, or other monument described in subsection (a) is located on property owned by, or under the jurisdiction of, the Federal Government.

(Added Pub. L. 108–29, § 2(a), May 29, 2003, 117 Stat. 772.)
Okay, so a memorial for Andrew Jackson is covered under this statute, and any Confederate memorial on federal property might also be covered.

But since when has any Confederate statue commemorated the service of any person or persons in the armed forces of the United States?  Last I knew, Confederate soldiers did not serve in the American armed forces during the Civil War.

They also lost the Civil War, thus deserving no memorial honors whatsoever.


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23 Jun 2020, 2:27 pm

envirozentinel wrote:
Almost all these leaders of society were a mix of good and bad, and making a study of them, even just on Wikipedia, you'll find they're remembered for both good and bad things - many grey areas.

This statue, in my home city, is the best kind of statue. It was erected as a tribute to the horses who perished during the Anglo-Boer War and shows an unspecified soldier caring for his horse. It was unveiled in 1905. Animals are more deserving of a statue like this one than many of the leaders thus commemorated!


Image


The inscription says the following:

THE GREATNESS OF A NATION
CONSISTS NOT SO MUCH IN THE NUMBER OF ITS PEOPLE
OR THE EXTENT OF ITS TERRITORY
AS IN THE EXTENT AND JUSTICE OF ITS COMPASSION

ERECTED BY PUBLIC SUBSCRIPTION
IN RECOGNITION OF THE SERVICES OF THE GALLANT ANIMALS
WHICH PERISHED IN THE ANGLO BOER WAR 1899–1902

You mean a statues that glorifies the killings of Africans and their forced rule. Tear it down.


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23 Jun 2020, 2:31 pm

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... statues that glorifies the killings of Africans and their forced rule. Tear it down.
Yes!

Statues that glorify religious leaders who enslaved indigenous peoples and forced them to convert -- tear them down!


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