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31 Mar 2021, 8:44 am

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He loaded a weapon and walked out his door with it, planning to kill people.
Then he did so.
Some people go to their doctor, getting psychotropics to help with mental/emotional/psychological problems, or to get a referral for counseling.
He did not.
He killed people.
His problems/issues/compulsions are not a reason for people to die.

True but this heinous crime isn't a justification for fabricating a story to smear others for their skin color and religious beliefs. The hate and lies must end. We cannot tolerate it. We are better than that.

The killer isn't being smeared for his skin colour.

There's been a trend of violence against East Asian diaspora. This spree killing occurred during that trend, so speculation that it's part of the pattern isn't unwarranted and is based on that trend not on the race of the perpetrator.

I didn't say the killer was being smeared for his skin color. Don't make stuff up to justify hate.

Really? So who's been smeared for their skin colour?

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31 Mar 2021, 8:56 am

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... So who's been smeared for their skin colour?

The victims of those who make excuses for racists, express support for racists, or who try to deny racism altogether.

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31 Mar 2021, 9:02 am

Fnord wrote:

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... So who's been smeared for their skin colour?

Anyone who makes excuses for racists, expresses support for racists, or who tries to deny racism altogether.

I'd suggest those people were criticized for their ideological positions, not for their skin colour. At the end of the day no one really cares what the racist/denier/fellow traveller looks like, just what they espouse.

Did I misread Daddy's statement or was it fair to interpret what he wrote as a claim that someone had been smeared for their skin colour and religious beliefs? If it wasn't the killer than who was it who was smeared? Of course if no one was smeared then it was just another dishonest claim made with the intention of distraction.

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31 Mar 2021, 9:03 am

funeralxempire wrote:

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... So who's been smeared for their skin colour?

Anyone who makes excuses for racists, expresses support for racists, or who tries to deny racism altogether.

You ninja'ed me just as I was correcting the post.

funeralxempire wrote:

... So who's been smeared for their skin colour?

The victims of those who make excuses for racists, express support for racists, or who try to deny racism altogether.

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31 Mar 2021, 9:32 am

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... So who's been smeared for their skin colour?

Anyone who makes excuses for racists, expresses support for racists, or who tries to deny racism altogether.

Let me be very clear. When one assumes with no evidence to know what happened in a crime including motives and who is guilty only based skin color, religious beliefs, gender and/or sexual orientations it is racism and/or bigotry targeting all people of the same skin color, religion, gender and/or sexual orientation.

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31 Mar 2021, 9:36 am

Daddy63 wrote:

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... So who's been smeared for their skin colour?

Anyone who makes excuses for racists, expresses support for racists, or who tries to deny racism altogether.

I'd suggest those people were criticized for their ideological positions, not for their skin colour. At the end of the day no one really cares what the racist/denier/fellow traveller looks like, just what they espouse. Did I misread Daddy's statement or was it fair to interpret what he wrote as a claim that someone had been smeared for their skin colour and religious beliefs? If it wasn't the killer than who was it who was smeared? Of course if no one was smeared then it was just another dishonest claim made with the intention of distraction.

Let me be clear: When evidence points to a murderer targeting his victims by race, then it is more than reasonable to assume (1) he is a racist, and (2) the skin color of his victims was part of his racial profiling.

You are defending an obvious racist by denying his obvious racism.

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31 Mar 2021, 9:38 am

Daddy63 wrote:

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... So who's been smeared for their skin colour?

Anyone who makes excuses for racists, expresses support for racists, or who tries to deny racism altogether.

The killer's guilt was never in question here, only their motives. It's not unreasonable to consider that this attack might be part of that broader pattern of attacks, even if it turns out not to be. No one was smeared or slandered, at worst a murderer's motives were speculated upon in more detail than they should have been.

You might want to save your big speech for when that's actually what's occurred to avoid looking like the boy who cried wolf when and if what you're claiming has occurred actually occurs.

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31 Mar 2021, 9:55 am

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You might want to save your big speech for when that's actually what's occurred to avoid looking like the boy who cried wolf when and if what you're claiming has occurred actually occurs.

So you lose the argument and then predictably attack me with childish nonsense. Discussion over.

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31 Mar 2021, 10:01 am

Fnord wrote:

Daddy63 wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

Fnord wrote:

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... So who's been smeared for their skin colour?

Anyone who makes excuses for racists, expresses support for racists, or who tries to deny racism altogether.

I'd suggest those people were criticized for their ideological positions, not for their skin colour. At the end of the day no one really cares what the racist/denier/fellow traveller looks like, just what they espouse. Did I misread Daddy's statement or was it fair to interpret what he wrote as a claim that someone had been smeared for their skin colour and religious beliefs? If it wasn't the killer than who was it who was smeared? Of course if no one was smeared then it was just another dishonest claim made with the intention of distraction.

So provide real evidence that this was a racist attack and that racial profiling of victims actually happened. And no his religious beliefs, skin color and neckbeard isn't evidence. Claiming those things to be evidence of a crime is clear bigotry.

Let's have it.

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31 Mar 2021, 10:24 am

Daddy63 wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

You might want to save your big speech for when that's actually what's occurred to avoid looking like the boy who cried wolf when and if what you're claiming has occurred actually occurs.

So you lose the argument and then predictably attack me with childish nonsense. Discussion over.

Sorry, if you're going to insist on lying you're going to have your lies identified as such. You've been insisting the killer was unfairly slandered and yet haven't made anything resembling an honest and coherent argument. None of your ranting and attempts at name-calling those who have tried to discuss whether or not racism was a motive has actually made the case that racism wasn't a motive or shouldn't be considered as a possible motive.

If you're able to make an honest argument you won't have to worry about dishonest arguments undermining your credibility. Of course, that advice only matters if you desire credibility; if your goal is just to troll you're doing a fine job of it.

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31 Mar 2021, 10:39 am

funeralxempire wrote:

... If you're able to make an honest argument you won't have to worry about dishonest arguments undermining your credibility. Of course, that advice only matters if you desire credibility; if your goal is just to troll you're doing a fine job of it.

Seconded.

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31 Mar 2021, 11:43 am

This "Blame Everything on Racism" mentality lacks a core of principals. It is simply a reactionary response meant to demonize certain persons with whom one disagrees with politically.

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31 Mar 2021, 7:50 pm

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People seem determined to deny hate crimes regardless of evidence.

I'm happy to stand corrected once evidence contradicting his (the shooter's) claim for a motive is published. Until then the burden of proof is with the anti-Asian camp.

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01 Apr 2021, 9:58 am

cyberdad wrote:

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People seem determined to deny hate crimes regardless of evidence.

I'm happy to stand corrected once evidence contradicting his (the shooter's) claim for a motive is published. Until then the burden of proof is with the anti-Asian camp.

The shooter was white. The majority of victims were Asian. That much evidence is proof enough for me.

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