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25 Feb 2022, 5:34 pm

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25 Feb 2022, 5:36 pm

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Excellent suggestion!


Unfortunately not going to happen. He's very very secure,



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25 Feb 2022, 5:41 pm

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Yup, I'm afraid Biden's pacifism is misplaced - just as I opposed leaving Afghanistan, for what Afghans suffer now is worse than what they had during the occupation..


Why is it our business to decide what the Afghan people want? Did you know a US ally Pakistan propped up the Taliban insurgency? Did you also know that the Afghans hate foreign occupation forces even more than Somali and Iraqi people?

I watch the news and sanctions work. the Taliban is softening their position against women. The current Taliban leadership want to reach out to the rest of the world. They know what happens when they oppress their people or meddle in foreign national security by supporting international terror.

I have contact only with Afghans who had to flee. As you may imagine, they would disagree.
Hard to find out "what the nation wants" without fair elections.


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25 Feb 2022, 5:47 pm

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Yup, I'm afraid Biden's pacifism is misplaced - just as I opposed leaving Afghanistan, for what Afghans suffer now is worse than what they had during the occupation..


Why is it our business to decide what the Afghan people want? Did you know a US ally Pakistan propped up the Taliban insurgency? Did you also know that the Afghans hate foreign occupation forces even more than Somali and Iraqi people?

I watch the news and sanctions work. the Taliban is softening their position against women. The current Taliban leadership want to reach out to the rest of the world. They know what happens when they oppress their people or meddle in foreign national security by supporting international terror.

I have contact only with Afghans who had to flee. As you may imagine, they would disagree.
Hard to find out "what the nation wants" without fair elections.


Did it occur to you that refugees who flee from a war torn coutnry are always going to have a negative view of the regime that caused them to flee in the first place. Whether it means the west has an obligation to intervene is another matter.

I have posted about how the world allowed separatist groups representing legitimate movements fighting human rights violations in countries like India, Sri Lanka, Burma, Indonesia as well as various countries in South America and in Africa were allowed to be murdered/killed in the name of "anti-terrrorism with the full support of the US and Europe.

Sorry, just because they are blonde children pictured by journalist escaping the Russians doesn't make them more important than other places.



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25 Feb 2022, 5:55 pm

Did I ever say I'm okay with people in other places in the world suffering? I wish I could help North Koreans and Uyghurs and Tibetans and many others but I'm also aware that being away from them, their history and other contexts, I may gravely misjudge the situation.

What makes this particular war important to me is the fact that it's affecting people I personally know and creates a situation where I can be the next. It's not a face on a journalist's photo for me. It's my neighbour, flesh and blood.


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25 Feb 2022, 5:58 pm

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25 Feb 2022, 6:42 pm

Running over a civilian with a tank.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna17751


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25 Feb 2022, 7:36 pm

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Did I ever say I'm okay with people in other places in the world suffering? I wish I could help North Koreans and Uyghurs and Tibetans and many others but I'm also aware that being away from them, their history and other contexts, I may gravely misjudge the situation.

What makes this particular war important to me is the fact that it's affecting people I personally know and creates a situation where I can be the next. It's not a face on a journalist's photo for me. It's my neighbour, flesh and blood.


Does the Polish government plan to help Ukraine?



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25 Feb 2022, 8:26 pm

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Running over a civilian with a tank.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna17751


Holy crap... and the driver lived! 8O 8O 8O


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25 Feb 2022, 8:30 pm

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Running over a civilian with a tank.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna17751


Holy crap... and the driver lived! 8O 8O 8O


Its sad to see civilians get hurt. It would be nice if people reacted the same way when photos of dead Yemeni children killed by Saudi airplanes end up on the internet. For some reason that doesn't sell newspapers.



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25 Feb 2022, 8:55 pm

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Running over a civilian with a tank.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna17751


Holy crap... and the driver lived! 8O 8O 8O


Its sad to see civilians get hurt. It would be nice if people reacted the same way when photos of dead Yemeni children killed by Saudi airplanes end up on the internet. For some reason that doesn't sell newspapers.

It all bothers me.
Any time a tank rolls across someone yard and people die it’s not good.


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25 Feb 2022, 8:59 pm

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Supposedly Anonymous has hacked the Russians.
https://mobile.twitter.com/YourAnonTV/s ... 1567828992


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What did it say?



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25 Feb 2022, 9:04 pm

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Trump is directly to blame for this.


Some people say that it is Biden's weakness that has caused pootin to act now.
Pootin was just waiting for the right moment.


I seriously doubt Putin wouldn't have moved on Ukraine if Trump was still in the White House. Trump would refuse to side with Ukraine, let alone be at the head of a NATO Anti-Russian coalition.


Speculation.
What isn't speculation is that Biden was the President who was in power when pootin invaded Ukraine.
Biden was also in charge of the disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan.
Perhaps you have forgotten. ;)


Biden is responding to Putin's aggression in a way I'm certain Trump - who is currently praising the Russian strongman - would never have.
Biden was honoring an agreement made with the Afghan government... made by Trump.


Honoured an agreement that the withdrawal would be disastrous?
I don't remember that part, but I will take your word for it. :P :mrgreen:



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25 Feb 2022, 9:06 pm

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Excellent suggestion!


How old is pootin?
How many more years will we have to pootin up with him if he dies of natural causes?
How old was stalin? :scratch:



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25 Feb 2022, 9:10 pm

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How old is pootin?
How many more years will we have to pootin up with him if he dies of natural causes?
How old was stalin? :scratch:


Don't know how old Stalin was when he went, but the fact that he had been allowed to linger on by his henchmen after suffocating following a stroke, till death finally took him, speaks volumes.


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25 Feb 2022, 9:11 pm

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Did I ever say I'm okay with people in other places in the world suffering? I wish I could help North Koreans and Uyghurs and Tibetans and many others but I'm also aware that being away from them, their history and other contexts, I may gravely misjudge the situation.

What makes this particular war important to me is the fact that it's affecting people I personally know and creates a situation where I can be the next. It's not a face on a journalist's photo for me. It's my neighbour, flesh and blood.


Does the Polish government plan to help Ukraine?


Is NATO going to wake up to itself and start spending more on the military, as Trump requested?
Time for NATO to pull its weight, as Trump said.
But then, if Trump said something, it must be wrong.
Ignore what I just said. <satire> 8)