The REAL cause of the totenham riots...

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We have all sorts of herd hysteria and irrationality. I do not allow it to depress me. We have grown up among it and perhaps can understand it better and cope with it. I have just been debating with an NT . I did not mean to upset him, but I have because I pointed out the irrational elements of his arguments. Think how much worse it will be if we tried to do anything to help change the way things are without being able to understand what we are trying to change.

I think somehow reason has to be instilled as well, or at least the mind crap broadcast in the media reduced.

I chose this NT to research, he seemed able- my bad I upset him


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Well, had a had a pm a while ago from someone stating they were leaving the forums as a direct result of views expressed in this thread. Not that this thread is in itself special. The comments would have been said elsewhere I'm sure.

All ill say is that the person is not leaving because of anyone specifically, rather the person wants to distance themselves from the comments/attitudes/views expressed here.

He seemed a really decent guy.

tequila we are trying to be sensitive here- yeh I know not our skill area . I just upset what seemed like a robust minded NT , let's not start upsetting our own, we get enough of this .

I guess you are angry about everything that is going off. My Great Grandad fought in WW1 and would have died to protect 'his country'. I remember his stories and his absolute belief in society or 'nothing'. Trenches were madness. This is madness , but so cowardly and so different and for such different reasons. Somehow we have to make that society , it is made not given. The next generation must work for it with each other, or not at all. We were lucky we inherited the sacrifices of those who did create something worthwhile to grow up in.

Right, I'm out of this thread. It now serves no purpose really. It's been fun, learned a LOT. You all know exactly what my views are on the matter and I'm sure history Wull judge in the favor of the real victims, the British public.

All of them.

I realise Tom has left this thread...but would anyone else please tell me why the UK hasn't become a nanny state?

I mean a couple of examples of health and safety - teachers in school aren't allowed to hug children, or put a plaster on a wound.

My mum's friend's mother...can only eat microwaved meals as her carers aren't allowed to cook things in the main oven.

All that never existed before, I'm sure. So why isn't the UK a nanny state? I'm really interested in knowing how.

Just to add on children smacking - I think it is necessary, but obviously just hard enough to shock, not to hurt. People need some sort of threat in discipline - otherwise what are the consequences if they don't behave? There's nothing to be scared of being naughty.

And hmm, someone is leaving the entire forum because of this thread? Who's over-reacting?