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04 Dec 2015, 4:29 pm

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And now Obama is pushing more than ever to add 10,000 Syrian refugees that the Republicans say come from a country filled with Islamic terrorists. Most are young men of fighting age. Europe is already having a problem with the refugees to where it's being called an "invasion". Why is Obama wanting to bring these refugees here especially after this attack? Obama still won't come out and say it was terrorism. I'm telling you that Obama is on their side and wants this country to be taken down and invaded. Marshall Law will be instated and Obama will never leave the Whitehouse.

And if this shooter terrorist guy had several men visiting his condo bringing stuff in the middle of the night, then those men are also a part of it and still at large. I can't believe that people are thinking that it's all over. It isn't over - it's just beginning.


Well I suppose we will see if your prediction comes true...then I guess you can tell us all that you told us so.


Don't address me again if you're going to use that smug attitude. What I find funny is that people will stick behind a President no matter what he does just because they want to be loyal to a party. Look at the facts of what's going on around you instead of following like a damn sheep. People need to learn how to think for themselves and make logical decisions with their own brains.


I don't identify as a Democrat, and am not really all that fond of Obama, though I like him better than all the current right wing candidates and better than Hilary Clinton but that is not saying much. I simply have never seen/heard any confirmation Obama is a Muslim or that he supports Muslim terrorists so I do not think what you predict will happen so of course I am smug about it. I think obviously Islamic terrorism is a serious threat but I don't think Obama is 'one of them.'...if it turns out you're correct then so be it, if it turns out your not than I suppose I was right to be smug.

And I do look at facts, I read multiple sources on an event before I form a specific opinion.... plus I asked you to back up your claims with facts twice at least and was willing to look at them and you just keep insisting you're correct without providing any sources/evidence. So what exactly is it I am blindly following?


I'm glad you said what you did about not being on one side or the other and that you have an open mind - I actually did think you were on the Democratic side and unwilling to listen to anything else. I apologize for making that assumption. I'll try to find some stuff to back up what I say (I have to study for a test over the next several days though). I was just looking at this today -

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/16/politics/ ... ons-obama/


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04 Dec 2015, 5:05 pm

Apparently the female swore her allegiance to ISIS, Its also very interesting that the family of the shooter hired lawyers.



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04 Dec 2015, 5:13 pm

frenchmanflats wrote:
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It's possible other incidents may take place. There is still a lot we don't know. There might have been others involved and there might not have been. It's still to early to be sure.

I still say it's best to wait until things calm down before hanging on to any particular detail. The story is still developing and the investigation is still in its infancy. But to each his own.


I think that the FBI and ATF have a good idea what happened. Its two Radicalized Islamists who committed a horrendous act of terrorism. This guy was appearing on the "radar" of the FBI. We know he went to Saudi Arabia several times and visited Radical Islamists websites. He had enough ammo and pipe bombs to start WWIII


I think that last bit is most definitely an exaggeration.


They had thousands of rounds of ammo, numerous long rifle weapons and pipe bombs. That is enough to outfit a small army

Most gun owners have a bunch of rifles and thousands of rounds of ammo. It's not unusual. Soldiers in war can go through thousands of rounds in a day. So it would have to be a super super tiny army.

Most people stockpile ammo so they can continue to go shooting regardless of ammo supply and demand trends. For example there was like 6months to a year where you couldn't buy ammo and still today years later 22lr is almost impossible to find where before 2013 you'd see shells full of it at every sporting store.



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04 Dec 2015, 5:28 pm

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Most people stockpile ammo so they can continue to go shooting regardless of ammo supply and demand trends. For example there was like 6months to a year where you couldn't buy ammo and still today years later 22lr is almost impossible to find where before 2013 you'd see shells full of it at every sporting store.


At risk of going too far OT, 22lr is lower margin; hence there is less incentive to make enough to meet demand. Free market at work, baby! Libertarians should be rejoicing, yet oddly, I hear them complaining. BTW, same thing is happening with: IV saline bags (hospitals are learning to stockpile when they can), anti-venom for snakebites (runs out in a month or two worldwide and no new batches are scheduled for production at any price) and certain IV hrt drugs (patches & tablets are more profitable). In each case, the factories can make more money making something else so the consumer simply loses out.


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04 Dec 2015, 5:42 pm

sly279 wrote:
frenchmanflats wrote:
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frenchmanflats wrote:
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Nurseangela

It's possible other incidents may take place. There is still a lot we don't know. There might have been others involved and there might not have been. It's still to early to be sure.

I still say it's best to wait until things calm down before hanging on to any particular detail. The story is still developing and the investigation is still in its infancy. But to each his own.


I think that the FBI and ATF have a good idea what happened. Its two Radicalized Islamists who committed a horrendous act of terrorism. This guy was appearing on the "radar" of the FBI. We know he went to Saudi Arabia several times and visited Radical Islamists websites. He had enough ammo and pipe bombs to start WWIII


I think that last bit is most definitely an exaggeration.


They had thousands of rounds of ammo, numerous long rifle weapons and pipe bombs. That is enough to outfit a small army

Most gun owners have a bunch of rifles and thousands of rounds of ammo. It's not unusual. Soldiers in war can go through thousands of rounds in a day. So it would have to be a super super tiny army.

Most people stockpile ammo so they can continue to go shooting regardless of ammo supply and demand trends. For example there was like 6months to a year where you couldn't buy ammo and still today years later 22lr is almost impossible to find where before 2013 you'd see shells full of it at every sporting store.


People store ammo but not to kill people. These people were storing ammo to kill people to commit terrorist acts. In their SUV, they found hundreds of rounds of ammo. In their garage, they found thousands of rounds of ammo.



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04 Dec 2015, 6:18 pm

Picture of the Female Suspect




http://abc7.com/news/1st-photo-of-san-b ... k/1110262/



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04 Dec 2015, 6:25 pm

...You seem to be speaking of things I in no way said ~ just as you're doing with other people ! !! !! !! !! !! :P










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...You really seem to be repeating what I'm told are the NRA fund-raising letter points of " Waaah ! They're coming to take away your gunsy-wunsies ! WAAAAAAAH ! ! ! ! ! " !
For a more general thing ~ W$hy do gun fanatics cvlaim " the fact that gun laws don't stop all gun violence prove they NE%VER work and we should have none ! " ? :| :x


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US president Obama made an interesting point about people identified by the FBI as not being allowed to get onto a plane due to security risks but under the second amendment they are allowed to buy guns in their local store?

Quite strange logic...only in America!

Something like 33% of the people on the no fly watch list are on by mistake including an us senator. That's why the right doesn't support banning guns based off that list. Also a few news media and some gov officials have suggest adding all gun owners to the list. Because owning a gun makes you a terrorist now :roll: it's just another tool to take guns for them not actually caring about stopping terrorist. If you put someone on a no fly list just go arrest them. If you think you have enough evidence to take their rights then you should have enough to put them in jail.



Im not a new member . Perhaps the fact that so many people who aren't part of the Nora say similar things should mean something to you. Mean if 80million people say it why do you just just ignore them and claim their crazy but no no the anti gun side represented by far less numbers isn't crazy they right and perfect. Wrong they'll wrong.

Certainly doesn't prove wee need to adopt the laws all over or make more. Fix the freaking ones you have now before you even think about making more laws about things you know nothing about. If you think a barrel should is the shoulder thing that goes up and down or that magazines are one time use items etc you have no place in making gun laws. The left doesn't like men making laws for women because men can't understand or know that stuff same goes for people who don't know jack about guns trying to make laws.[/quote]



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04 Dec 2015, 6:43 pm

No I replied to you saying I'm repeating the nra fund raising letters whichever him not.

Replace new and Nora with nra as my tablet replaced it with those as nra and other gun stuff isn't in apple's dictionary.

Though perhaps I should join the nra for while I don't agree with them on everything they'll one of the main groups defending me and my rights.



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04 Dec 2015, 6:47 pm

frenchmanflats wrote:
sly279 wrote:
frenchmanflats wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
frenchmanflats wrote:
Lukeda420 wrote:
Nurseangela

It's possible other incidents may take place. There is still a lot we don't know. There might have been others involved and there might not have been. It's still to early to be sure.

I still say it's best to wait until things calm down before hanging on to any particular detail. The story is still developing and the investigation is still in its infancy. But to each his own.


I think that the FBI and ATF have a good idea what happened. Its two Radicalized Islamists who committed a horrendous act of terrorism. This guy was appearing on the "radar" of the FBI. We know he went to Saudi Arabia several times and visited Radical Islamists websites. He had enough ammo and pipe bombs to start WWIII


I think that last bit is most definitely an exaggeration.


They had thousands of rounds of ammo, numerous long rifle weapons and pipe bombs. That is enough to outfit a small army

Most gun owners have a bunch of rifles and thousands of rounds of ammo. It's not unusual. Soldiers in war can go through thousands of rounds in a day. So it would have to be a super super tiny army.

Most people stockpile ammo so they can continue to go shooting regardless of ammo supply and demand trends. For example there was like 6months to a year where you couldn't buy ammo and still today years later 22lr is almost impossible to find where before 2013 you'd see shells full of it at every sporting store.


People store ammo but not to kill people. These people were storing ammo to kill people to commit terrorist acts. In their SUV, they found hundreds of rounds of ammo. In their garage, they found thousands of rounds of ammo.


Stockpiling Amos shouldn't be used as meaning anyone who does it is a probably terrorist or mass shooter. Just another case of people on the left don't understand guns or the shooting hobby. I remember a case and they were like shocked the guy had 40 rounds of 5.56 and like you don't need that much ammo to go shoot at the range. Most people shoot 50-500 rounds per gun per range trip. Imagine if they go every weekend. You could go through 2k rounds in a month. Thousands of rounds of ammo really isn't a lot.



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04 Dec 2015, 6:54 pm

sly279 wrote:
frenchmanflats wrote:
sly279 wrote:
frenchmanflats wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
frenchmanflats wrote:
Lukeda420 wrote:
Nurseangela

It's possible other incidents may take place. There is still a lot we don't know. There might have been others involved and there might not have been. It's still to early to be sure.

I still say it's best to wait until things calm down before hanging on to any particular detail. The story is still developing and the investigation is still in its infancy. But to each his own.


I think that the FBI and ATF have a good idea what happened. Its two Radicalized Islamists who committed a horrendous act of terrorism. This guy was appearing on the "radar" of the FBI. We know he went to Saudi Arabia several times and visited Radical Islamists websites. He had enough ammo and pipe bombs to start WWIII


I think that last bit is most definitely an exaggeration.


They had thousands of rounds of ammo, numerous long rifle weapons and pipe bombs. That is enough to outfit a small army

Most gun owners have a bunch of rifles and thousands of rounds of ammo. It's not unusual. Soldiers in war can go through thousands of rounds in a day. So it would have to be a super super tiny army.

Most people stockpile ammo so they can continue to go shooting regardless of ammo supply and demand trends. For example there was like 6months to a year where you couldn't buy ammo and still today years later 22lr is almost impossible to find where before 2013 you'd see shells full of it at every sporting store.


People store ammo but not to kill people. These people were storing ammo to kill people to commit terrorist acts. In their SUV, they found hundreds of rounds of ammo. In their garage, they found thousands of rounds of ammo.


Stockpiling Amos shouldn't be used as meaning anyone who does it is a probably terrorist or mass shooter. Just another case of people on the left don't understand guns or the shooting hobby. I remember a case and they were like shocked the guy had 40 rounds of 5.56 and like you don't need that much ammo to go shoot at the range. Most people shoot 50-500 rounds per gun per range trip. Imagine if they go every weekend. You could go through 2k rounds in a month. Thousands of rounds of ammo really isn't a lot.



These people were not storing for a day at the shooting range. They were going to use it to kill people. BTW:The FBI has labeled these people as terrorists



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04 Dec 2015, 7:14 pm

It says on nightly news that the woman possibly came to radicalize the man.


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04 Dec 2015, 7:18 pm

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These people were not storing for a day at the shooting range. They were going to use it to kill people. BTW:The FBI has labeled these people as terrorists


But the amount of ammo is no indication of such acts and there for has no part in this discussion unless you're wanting to use that as an indication and put anyone who stockpiles ammo on a watchlist.

Just because someone has 100,000 or a million round of ammo or has 100 rifles doesn't mean they'll going kill people and such things which are completely normal shouldn't be used to falsely label people as terrorist and ruin their lives.

The pipe bombs isn't normal and should be shocking but the ammo shouldn't be and should play no part in this discussion unless your a part of the gun control agenda of banning all guns and ammo which is why the news is trying to demonize gun owners who stockpile ammo and I'm tired of it. I'm not a bad person because I own lots of guns and ammo.



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04 Dec 2015, 7:36 pm

The FBI has labeled the mass murder as a terrorist act, and are proceeding with the investigation accordingly. Second-guessing them may be the order of the day; but it will certainly get none of us anywhere.

Crimes are not solely defined by the number of bullets, nor are they solely defined by the number of victims or criminals. They are also defined by the methods, the motives, and the opportunities, as well as how much planning was involved. It's a complicated algorithm; but you can be certain that by labeling this crime a terrorist act, the full authority and resources of the government's intelligence services will be brought to bear.

The Media has entered their Speculations phase, and you are likely to hear or read all kinds of crackpot theories from any number of crackpot theorists. The bottom line is that any arguments or opinions expressed by those who are not involved in the investigation are irrelevant, so just sit back and watch patiently as developments unfold.



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04 Dec 2015, 7:39 pm

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The FBI has labeled the mass murder as a terrorist act, and are proceeding with the investigation accordingly. Second-guessing them may be the order of the day; but it will certainly get none of us anywhere.

Crimes are not solely defined by the number of bullets, nor are they solely defined by the number of victims or criminals. They are also defined by the methods, the motives, and the opportunities, as well as how much planning was involved. It's a complicated algorithm; but you can be certain that by labeling this crime a terrorist act, the full authority and resources of the government's intelligence services will be brought to bear.

Any arguments or opinions expressed by those who are not involved in the investigation are irrelevant, so just sit back and watch patiently as developments unfold.



Why are you defending these terrorists? You have become an apologist. I would not be surprised if you supported their actions.The FBI has labeled as a terrorist act



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frenchmanflats wrote:
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The FBI has labeled the mass murder as a terrorist act, and are proceeding with the investigation accordingly. Second-guessing them may be the order of the day; but it will certainly get none of us anywhere.

Crimes are not solely defined by the number of bullets, nor are they solely defined by the number of victims or criminals. They are also defined by the methods, the motives, and the opportunities, as well as how much planning was involved. It's a complicated algorithm; but you can be certain that by labeling this crime a terrorist act, the full authority and resources of the government's intelligence services will be brought to bear.

Any arguments or opinions expressed by those who are not involved in the investigation are irrelevant, so just sit back and watch patiently as developments unfold.
Why are you defending these terrorists? You have become an apologist. I would not be surprised if you supported their actions.The FBI has labeled as a terrorist act
I am not defending the terrorists. I am pointing out that the FBI has labeled the crime as a terrorist act, they are handling the investigation, and that anyone else's opinions are irrelevant.

I have reported your slanderous accusations.



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These people were not storing for a day at the shooting range. They were going to use it to kill people. BTW:The FBI has labeled these people as terrorists


But the amount of ammo is no indication of such acts and there for has no part in this discussion unless you're wanting to use that as an indication and put anyone who stockpiles ammo on a watchlist.

Just because someone has 100,000 or a million round of ammo or has 100 rifles doesn't mean they'll going kill people and such things which are completely normal shouldn't be used to falsely label people as terrorist and ruin their lives.

The pipe bombs isn't normal and should be shocking but the ammo shouldn't be and should play no part in this discussion unless your a part of the gun control agenda of banning all guns and ammo which is why the news is trying to demonize gun owners who stockpile ammo and I'm tired of it. I'm not a bad person because I own lots of guns and ammo.


What dimension where its OK to have a pipe bomb? Pipe bombs are use to kill.Pipe bombs the manufacture or possession of a pipe bomb is a serious crime, regardless of its intended use. It is a serious crime in the United States to own one. Im sorry, these people used their stockpile to kill people.



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