Julian Assange arrested

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It has nothing to do with being afraid of the deep state, it's all about knowing that said deep state doesn't exist.

You're the only person left on the planet that believes that.

If you don't count the millions of Americans who know Trump, Hannity, Carlson, and the rest of their friends are full of sh*t.

If Trump announced to the world tomorrow that he believes the Earth is round, would you run out and join the Flat Earth Society?

But of course!
But seriously; we're talking about a fanciful conspiracy theory created by the right, in which a pedophile cabal of communists led by George Soros, the Clintons, and Lady GaGa are secretly pulling the strings behind the scenes with career government civil servants. You can believe that, or you can maybe consider the possibility that a crooked businessman who screwed over his employees, and everyone of his contractors, and business partners (outside Russia or the mob - that is, people who can actually murder him), cheated in every one of his multiple marriages, and courted white nationalists might actually be lying.

If Lady GaGa scared you more than extrajudicial killings being pardoned by Trump, you're no better than the suppsed fascists you're complaining about.

But you're entitled to your favorite flavor of war crimes.

Just kidding. Grow a pair & stand up for the sanctity of actual, real life.

Kraichgauer, I'm honestly astonished, how can you be 50 years old and believe that?
How can you be a union man and believe that?

Let me explain it to you.

Their is a *VAST* beaurocracy that supports a government.
This beaurocracy doesn't change every time an election happens, it can't as it would be utterly unfeasible.

This slow changing lower 9/10ths of the iceberg of government is the "Deep State".
This concept was around for decades, maybe centuries, before Trump, have you ever heard the term "Government Mandarins?"
That's the deep state.

Do you think that when a government passes a law that the things in that law just "happen".
No, they must be enacted, by beaurocrats and functionaries.

Deep states can be amongst other things, obedient, stroppy or corrupt.

An obedient deep state is just that, a deep state that does what it's told and smoothly translates the decisions of government into practical on the ground application.

A stroppy deep state is one that has decided the voters are electing incompetents and so let's run the show ourselves, and humor the politicians. And that is a view I actually have some small sympathy for, because you get some *really* dumb obnoxious politicians.

A corrupt deep state, is when they start taking gratuities from private industry or criminals or foreign governments, to promote some government decisions and stymie other government decisions and promote each other into positions and so on. Over time, this forms a hidden oligharchy and a cabal within government, a sort of "Game of mates" that looks out for eachother, at the expense of the country as a whole.

This is not some big secret Kraich, this is Statecraft 101.

And you don't live in a small country of a few thousand people Kraich, you live in a superpower, with 300 Million people and around 50 states give or take a few, that is more than enough population for you to have multiple examples of all 3 kinds of deepstates operating concurrently and on multiple levels of government.

Two thumbs up! Well stated, sir!

What the right calls the "deep state" are career civil servants whose loyalty is to America and its constitution, not to Trump. That's what the Trump cult of personality fears the most.
Has the FBI and the CIA overstepped their bounds before? Of course they have. Have they done blatantly illegal and even evil things? Absolutely. But today, after those agencies have been reigned in, it makes much more sense that a corrupt businessman with ties to hostile foreign governments, is the real threat along with his cult of personality.

Working against the president is the biggest tradition in the entire history of the country. The establishment merely took advantage of Assange, burying the guy alive while cherry-picking his works to its' advantage.

What's worse than a fascist oligarchy you ask? A fascist duopoly with one hand feigning progressive thinking while the other pardons murderers.

If the deep state exists then there is nothing Assange is going to be able to do. If it doesn't exist then he is wasting everyones time and just provoking division.

I forgot it's best just to ignore people who don't listen. What ever you say his response will be 'muh derp Trump'.

Numerous progressives and ex intelligence officers like Ray McGovern who served for 27 years says there's a deep state and McGovern hates Trump and says he should be impeached (for real reasons, not hoaxes). But maybe all these progressives and ex intelligence officers are just puppets of Trump

So you're attacking people based on someone else's fake accusations? If you want to talk about your hacking obsession that you seem to know nothing about I suggest you start another thread in a different forum.

Back on topic.

https://www.businessinsider.com/julian- ... ?r=US&IR=T

And those "real" reasons are?

https://raymcgovern.com/2019/10/24/the- ... om-office/