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16 Oct 2019, 2:05 am

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As I'm batting a thousand by rubbing people the wrong way here on WP, let's just agree to disagree.


What's the deal with the Trumpfans suddenly turning on you en masse buddy?


You dragged Trump in out of nowhere again? Would you like to list these Trump fans?


This thread is about Trump.


Apparently it's become about us :lol:


Guess so. :?


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16 Oct 2019, 2:07 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
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cyberdad wrote:
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As I'm batting a thousand by rubbing people the wrong way here on WP, let's just agree to disagree.


What's the deal with the Trumpfans suddenly turning on you en masse buddy?


You dragged Trump in out of nowhere again? Would you like to list these Trump fans?


This thread is about Trump.


Apparently it's become about us :lol:


Guess so. :?


Our WP colleagues appear to have neglected to check the title of this thread :lol:



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16 Oct 2019, 3:13 am

i can hardly stand thinking about him and his mad crowd.



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16 Oct 2019, 4:02 am

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Why do you think?

Would you rather be forced to integrate into Israeli society----rather than do it under your volition----or would you rather have your own country?

I don't see why anybody would have a negative response to my question.

I am not against Palestinians in Israel----but don't Palestinians want their own country?


I would want whatever results in the least amount of bloodshed and destruction.



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16 Oct 2019, 1:39 pm

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Why do you think?

Would you rather be forced to integrate into Israeli society----rather than do it under your volition----or would you rather have your own country?

I don't see why anybody would have a negative response to my question.

I am not against Palestinians in Israel----but don't Palestinians want their own country?


I would want whatever results in the least amount of bloodshed and destruction.


Now try to consider the range of 'reasonability' that exists within people. What you describe is more reasonable than average, but it's easy to be reasonable when you have zero investment. How many people would sacrifice their national identity to be assimilated into a nation-state that has been openly hostile towards their existence, actively striven to annihilate it (and is now in the process of succeeding, so long as you cooperate) and so far has expressed that you can't possibly be given full citizenship because it would dilute the identity of said nation-state. Perhaps you would, but I'm willing to bet even most of your family members would likely be more hesitant than you believe you would be.

Identities are interesting things, and their importance is attested to by Southerners and Quebecois, Catalonians and Basques, Kashmiris, Kurds, Palestinians and many others. Even though they're social constructs, people refuse to abandon them even after centuries. Normal human behaviours and sentiments need to be considered when deciding how to respond to political issues, because normal people have to implement the response.


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16 Oct 2019, 1:51 pm

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Now try to consider the range of 'reasonability' that exists within people. What you describe is more reasonable than average, but it's easy to be reasonable when you have zero investment. How many people would sacrifice their national identity to be assimilated into a nation-state that has been openly hostile towards their existence, actively striven to annihilate it (and is now in the process of succeeding, so long as you cooperate) and so far has expressed that you can't possibly be given full citizenship because it would dilute the identity of said nation-state. Perhaps you would, but I'm willing to bet even most of your family members would likely be more hesitant than you believe you would be.

Identities are interesting things, and their importance is attested to by Southerners and Quebecois, Catalonians and Basques, Kashmiris, Kurds, Palestinians and many others. Even though they're social constructs, people refuse to abandon them even after centuries. Normal human behaviours and sentiments need to be considered when deciding how to respond to political issues, because normal people have to implement the response.


Though sometimes they do, like in Turkification.


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16 Oct 2019, 3:19 pm

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Now try to consider the range of 'reasonability' that exists within people. What you describe is more reasonable than average, but it's easy to be reasonable when you have zero investment. How many people would sacrifice their national identity to be assimilated into a nation-state that has been openly hostile towards their existence, actively striven to annihilate it (and is now in the process of succeeding, so long as you cooperate) and so far has expressed that you can't possibly be given full citizenship because it would dilute the identity of said nation-state. Perhaps you would, but I'm willing to bet even most of your family members would likely be more hesitant than you believe you would be.

Identities are interesting things, and their importance is attested to by Southerners and Quebecois, Catalonians and Basques, Kashmiris, Kurds, Palestinians and many others. Even though they're social constructs, people refuse to abandon them even after centuries. Normal human behaviours and sentiments need to be considered when deciding how to respond to political issues, because normal people have to implement the response.


Though sometimes they do, like in Turkification.


I'm certainly not suggesting it never happens, but Turkification relied on two main factors: one being that Turkic peoples had a varied phenotype and had a long history of absorbing whoever they encountered and the other being force, when peoples didn't respond to the carrot they received the same treatment that Turkic and other steppe nomads have historically been known for: genocide. Many Anatolians might have ethnic Greek or Armenian or Kurdish, etc ancestry, that doesn't mean that those groups weren't targeted by actions that amount to genocide.

The history of the steppes has been a special interest of mine off and on for much of my life, and a lot of that history is cycles of endemic tribal warfare that feature genocide as just another strategy. There's a reason why the various steppe conquerors who are known to history are always known to be genocidal monsters - because they were and were far more successful than all the lesser known ones who just did the same thing on a smaller scale. Attila, Genghis and Tamerlane weren't outliers. I mention some non-Turkic folks too because this wasn't limited to Turkic peoples, Iranic peoples, Tungic peoples, Finnic peoples, Semitic peoples, etc who lived on the steppes all tended to adopt this strategy and it continued to influence their thinking towards warfare long after they settled, in the cases where they became sedentary. It also influenced the peoples they interacted with, in places like Russia and the Balkans.


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17 Oct 2019, 4:09 am

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Now try to consider the range of 'reasonability' that exists within people. What you describe is more reasonable than average, but it's easy to be reasonable when you have zero investment. How many people would sacrifice their national identity to be assimilated into a nation-state that has been openly hostile towards their existence, actively striven to annihilate it (and is now in the process of succeeding, so long as you cooperate) and so far has expressed that you can't possibly be given full citizenship because it would dilute the identity of said nation-state. Perhaps you would, but I'm willing to bet even most of your family members would likely be more hesitant than you believe you would be.

Identities are interesting things, and their importance is attested to by Southerners and Quebecois, Catalonians and Basques, Kashmiris, Kurds, Palestinians and many others. Even though they're social constructs, people refuse to abandon them even after centuries. Normal human behaviours and sentiments need to be considered when deciding how to respond to political issues, because normal people have to implement the response.


Though sometimes they do, like in Turkification.


Not to mention "tartarisation" of tribes in southern Russia or "sinification" of tribes in Western China or "iranification" of India (the original population of India spoke Dravidian).



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17 Oct 2019, 4:49 am

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beneficii wrote:
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Now try to consider the range of 'reasonability' that exists within people. What you describe is more reasonable than average, but it's easy to be reasonable when you have zero investment. How many people would sacrifice their national identity to be assimilated into a nation-state that has been openly hostile towards their existence, actively striven to annihilate it (and is now in the process of succeeding, so long as you cooperate) and so far has expressed that you can't possibly be given full citizenship because it would dilute the identity of said nation-state. Perhaps you would, but I'm willing to bet even most of your family members would likely be more hesitant than you believe you would be.

Identities are interesting things, and their importance is attested to by Southerners and Quebecois, Catalonians and Basques, Kashmiris, Kurds, Palestinians and many others. Even though they're social constructs, people refuse to abandon them even after centuries. Normal human behaviours and sentiments need to be considered when deciding how to respond to political issues, because normal people have to implement the response.


Though sometimes they do, like in Turkification.


Not to mention "tartarisation" of tribes in southern Russia or "sinification" of tribes in Western China or "iranification" of India (the original population of India spoke Dravidian).


Or Germanization of Romano-Celts in south Germany, the Rhineland, and Britain.


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17 Oct 2019, 9:10 am

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Unfreakingbelievable. I have no idea what should be done in Syria, but my guess is that it should be the opposite of whatever the freaking pathological liars of the Left want done.


ABC News Broadcasts Fake Syria Bombing Video That's Actually From a Kentucky Military Show in 2017

ABC News aired a video on Sunday that host Tom Llamas said depicted a Turkish attack in northern Syria against Kurdish civilians. Turkey is indeed pushing into Syria and slaughtering Kurds along the way, but the video ABC News played last night is from a military gun demonstration in Kentucky that was published to YouTube in 2017.

https://gizmodo.com/abc-news-broadcasts ... 1839028685


ABC apologizes for their inadvertent error. They've got new reporting this time from the crack team of journalists — and you know you it's true because they are professionals who are experts.


ABC News Airs Authentic Footage Of 164-Foot-Tall Godzilla Rampaging Through Syria

NEW YORK, NY—ABC News has been praised as a bastion of journalistic integrity and in-depth reporting after being the first ones to air authentic footage of a 164-foot-tall lizard monster rampaging through Syria.

The footage, dubbed "Slaughter in Syria," shows the monster, named "Gojira" or "Godzilla" by people screaming in the video, rising from the ocean to attack coastal cities throughout the region. Desperate locals try to fend off the monster with depth charges, a huge electric fence, tanks, and fighter jets. But mostly it doesn't work and they just scream a lot.

Some experts believe we created the monster through too much nuclear testing and some drone strikes and feel we should study the monster. As these experts were opining on the matter in Syria, Godzilla appeared again and destroyed them with his atomic breath.

"Here we can see the harmful effects of Trump's actions in the region," said an anchor grimly. "May God have mercy on us all."

https://babylonbee.com/news/abc-news-la ... ia-footage

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17 Oct 2019, 5:52 pm

Nancy Pelosi kicking butt and taking names. She's made this photo part of the background on her Twitter page:

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17 Oct 2019, 6:28 pm

I just saw this

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18 Oct 2019, 12:36 am

Trump keeps ending wars and bringing people home. No wonder the Democrat warmongers can't stand him. :mrgreen:

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Trump keeps ending wars and bringing people home. No wonder the Democrat warmongers can't stand him. :mrgreen:

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That's not exactly what happened in that meeting.


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18 Oct 2019, 1:18 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
beneficii wrote:
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Now try to consider the range of 'reasonability' that exists within people. What you describe is more reasonable than average, but it's easy to be reasonable when you have zero investment. How many people would sacrifice their national identity to be assimilated into a nation-state that has been openly hostile towards their existence, actively striven to annihilate it (and is now in the process of succeeding, so long as you cooperate) and so far has expressed that you can't possibly be given full citizenship because it would dilute the identity of said nation-state. Perhaps you would, but I'm willing to bet even most of your family members would likely be more hesitant than you believe you would be.

Identities are interesting things, and their importance is attested to by Southerners and Quebecois, Catalonians and Basques, Kashmiris, Kurds, Palestinians and many others. Even though they're social constructs, people refuse to abandon them even after centuries. Normal human behaviours and sentiments need to be considered when deciding how to respond to political issues, because normal people have to implement the response.


Though sometimes they do, like in Turkification.


Not to mention "tartarisation" of tribes in southern Russia or "sinification" of tribes in Western China or "iranification" of India (the original population of India spoke Dravidian).


Or Germanization of Romano-Celts in south Germany, the Rhineland, and Britain.


Indeed! Wit sprecan Anglish :lol: