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19 Oct 2019, 2:17 am

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Call me a fool, :lol:, but I haven'g totally given up on my fellow Americans, or my fellow man.


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I'm sorry, but explain to me how having an all white neighborhood is a conservative value? 1990 was a long time ago, almost 30 years.


I'm sorry but people's attitudes and values tend to change really really slowly and (yes) 1990 is 30 years ago but that's barely a heartbeat in history. It tends to indicate that whatever people say on questionnaires and surveys isn't really reflected on the ground.

Equating homogenous white neighbourhoods and schools with a "safe environment" is the reason Trayvon Martin was shot for walking into a white only gated community and why white police officers are more likely to be trigger happy when facing black Americans. Probably also the reason school proms or school dances remain segregated. Seems that safe neighbourhoods is a euphemism for something else.

Yes it's better to have a positive outlook and yes I am sure attitudes and values change over time but it's quite likely that Trump is going to be re-elected in 2020 because the underlying issues pertaining to unspoken issues are still not being dealt with.



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19 Oct 2019, 7:03 am

cyberdad wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Call me a fool, :lol:, but I haven'g totally given up on my fellow Americans, or my fellow man.


Persephone29 wrote:
I'm sorry, but explain to me how having an all white neighborhood is a conservative value? 1990 was a long time ago, almost 30 years.


I'm sorry but people's attitudes and values tend to change really really slowly and (yes) 1990 is 30 years ago but that's barely a heartbeat in history. It tends to indicate that whatever people say on questionnaires and surveys isn't really reflected on the ground.

Equating homogenous white neighbourhoods and schools with a "safe environment" is the reason Trayvon Martin was shot for walking into a white only gated community and why white police officers are more likely to be trigger happy when facing black Americans. Probably also the reason school proms or school dances remain segregated. Seems that safe neighbourhoods is a euphemism for something else.

Yes it's better to have a positive outlook and yes I am sure attitudes and values change over time but it's quite likely that Trump is going to be re-elected in 2020 because the underlying issues pertaining to unspoken issues are still not being dealt with.


But my neighborhood isn't all white and it's still safe. What underlying issues are you referring to? Safety? I don't think safety will ever go out of fashion. My neighborhood is old, very middle class, nothing spectacular. To be able to live here you need only work and pay the mortgage/rent. As a rule, people who are paying the rent are too worn out to be running the roads, looking in cars that aren't their's an in general being places that aren't their's to justify them being there.

What would you suggest? That's a rhetorical question, btw. I know what you would suggest and it would go something like this: go into Persephone's neighborhood and replace every other homeowner with a poor family of color. Do not factor in ability to pay rent, ability to maintain the home, criminal history, or how many people will occupy the structure. Then, sit back and watch. If people get tired of being afraid, robbed, harassed, having squalor spill over into their yards from a neighbor, music blaring and move, accuse them of white flight. The thing I value most is safety. If a place is safe, I do not care what color it is. YOU need to look at why that isn't available in all neighborhoods right now, rather than insisting people commit to being unsafe for two generations, while social inequality works itself out, on the hump of average people who want their kids to play without dodging bullets or bullies.


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19 Oct 2019, 10:46 am

I live in a neighborhood where I, as a white person, am a minority. Lots of East Indians, blacks, and Hispanics.

My neighborhood is very safe.

What makes people think Trump is “likely” to be re-elected?



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19 Oct 2019, 11:18 am

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I live in a neighborhood where I, as a white person, am a minority. Lots of East Indians, blacks, and Hispanics.

My neighborhood is very safe.

What makes people think Trump is “likely” to be re-elected?




Interesting, we have a shared experience in that we were minorities in our neighborhoods. Compared to your experience, ours was not too pleasant.

We lived in E. Gainesville for 10 years as a married couple, my husband lived there 10 years prior to our marriage. We were safe, but vandalized often. Our dog was shot for barking, garbage thrown in our yard everyday, etc... And other kids weren't permitted to play with our granddaughter... because we were white.

We moved because my husband got a job in a major city elsewhere, we couldn't afford to live in that city. But live just South of it.

I don't cut SJW much slack because some of them know only what looks good on paper. They have no clue what racism exists from all sides looks like.


Trump will be reelected. Let's make a pact, if I'm wrong, I'll meet you back here and grovel. You don't have to do anything except be happy if a Democrat wins. I won't be wrong, but I'm willing to pretend I will for the sake of the pact.


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19 Oct 2019, 11:26 am

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Trump will be reelected.

Trump will be re-elected but it will be a hollow victory for the US. His victory will have been bought by the wealthy power brokers he protects.


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19 Oct 2019, 12:24 pm

Why do you feel it’s a forgone conclusion?

I feel there are many scenarios which would result in a Trump loss.

I’m a Yankee fan. I KNOW they will win against the Astros :)

You’re a Trump fan. You KNOW Trump will win in 2020.

Objectively, though, neither is a foregone conclusion.



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19 Oct 2019, 12:30 pm

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You’re a Trump fan. You KNOW Trump will win in 2020.

I'm not a Trump fan. I just don't think the Democrats can win the White House in 2020.

I am also a Ravens fan but I don't expect them to win over the Seahawks tomorrow.

Sometimes you have to admit when you're on the losing side.


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19 Oct 2019, 3:19 pm

I’m not the groveling type.....it’s a waste of time to grovel.



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19 Oct 2019, 4:33 pm

As senate Republicans are now turning against Trump, I think his impeachment is becoming closer to reality, or he'll pull a Nixon and resign, so his reelection would never happen. But even if it doesn't work out like that, I can't imagine Trump winning a second term after his disastrous Presidency.


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19 Oct 2019, 5:40 pm

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You’re a Trump fan. You KNOW Trump will win in 2020.

I'm not a Trump fan.


It's plain sad how often I see someone having to write that.



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19 Oct 2019, 6:08 pm

Would a book burning still work more in favor of the author than against them? I thought the author would still get paid for selling a copy whether it was burned or read?



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19 Oct 2019, 7:36 pm

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Would a book burning still work more in favor of the author than against them? I thought the author would still get paid for selling a copy whether it was burned or read?


Ask Nike if "white" SJWs burning their $200 Nike shoes on youtube made any impact on their sales?

My guess is the book burning was not intended so much to hurt sales but to send a message to other non-white authors to not publish material that irritates the white privileged republican types...it's actually a message of violence



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19 Oct 2019, 7:44 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Why do you feel it’s a forgone conclusion?

I feel there are many scenarios which would result in a Trump loss.

I’m a Yankee fan. I KNOW they will win against the Astros :)

You’re a Trump fan. You KNOW Trump will win in 2020.

Objectively, though, neither is a foregone conclusion.



I think it's a forgone conclusion because the Dems have kept trying to impeach him. Every move they've made since his election has made them appear nothing more than sore losers. Then, take into consideration every special interest group moaning and groaning. The average American, of which I am one, doesn't like whingers. They don't like listening to people say, "my life is so awful, so much more 'awfuler' than everyone else's, I deserve special treatment." If people are too young, too sick, too old, etc... that's another matter entirely. But, things like color are not disabilities.

Trump will be reelected because the Dems have not been able to break him. Many Americans admire that quality... Trump will not be remembered for his wealth, his family name (though those things were what he was known for prior to the presidency). He will be remembered for his ability to keep moving forward in spite of everything. Most everyone with countless wealth would've fallen back, said screw it and thrown in the towel. Trump straight up does not care and has kept the promises he made to those of us who voted for him.

That's my opinion on why he will be elected again. That and the vibe I get from just about every place I find myself, everywhere I go, it's Go Trump 2020. Just this past week, at Biketoberfest, every biker I saw was sporting some sort of Trump 2020 shirt, bathing suit, hat, sticker.


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19 Oct 2019, 7:47 pm

Persephone29 wrote:
What would you suggest? That's a rhetorical question, btw. I know what you would suggest and it would go something like this: go into Persephone's neighborhood and replace every other homeowner with a poor family of color. .


No I'm not saying that. But if a black person does move into a white neighborhood or white school it hopefully doesn't trigger white flight (a proven phenomenon).

We (ironically) have the opposite scenario in Australia where wealthy Asian families move into upper-middle class neighbors triggering a flight of older retired whites to the countryside resulting in exclusively Asian neighbourhoods n the wealthiest suburbs in Melbourne and Sydney. The result is younger white couples are priced out of the housing market and are forced into white dominated outer suburbs.

Same with schools...Asian kids flood into high performing private schools resulting in aforementioned white flight with parents pulling their kids into less academic performing schools that emphasise sport or extracurricular activities that Asian parents don't want to spend money on.

But the result is ironically the same as in the US....segregated neighborhoods and schools (but the reasons are reversed)
http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/journa ... 018/3.html



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19 Oct 2019, 8:05 pm

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What would you suggest? That's a rhetorical question, btw. I know what you would suggest and it would go something like this: go into Persephone's neighborhood and replace every other homeowner with a poor family of color. .


No I'm not saying that. But if a black person does move into a white neighborhood or white school it hopefully doesn't trigger white flight (a proven phenomenon).

We (ironically) have the opposite scenario in Australia where wealthy Asian families move into upper-middle class neighbors triggering a flight of older retired whites to the countryside resulting in exclusively Asian neighbourhoods n the wealthiest suburbs in Melbourne and Sydney. The result is younger white couples are priced out of the housing market and are forced into white dominated outer suburbs.

Same with schools...Asian kids flood into high performing private schools resulting in aforementioned white flight with parents pulling their kids into less academic performing schools that emphasise sport or extracurricular activities that Asian parents don't want to spend money on.

But the result is ironically the same as in the US....segregated neighborhoods and schools (but the reasons are reversed)
http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/journa ... 018/3.html



I love Asians, I wish we had more in our area. Where Asians are, the schools are awesome. I don't see the problem with that. If someone possesses something I admire, like drive and intellectual performance, I'll hitch my star to that wagon any day, with no shame. Australians don't seem too smart in that respect...

I cannot speak to inner cities, I would never live in a city, simply because I like trees, birds, land, open spaces and fresh air. The only thing that would drive me out of my neighborhood would be crime, loudness and filth. If you bring order, propriety and cleanliness, I don't care what color you are. Nobody has the right to say to another that because they enjoy order, they are bigots. As I said before, my granddaughter's school has plenty blacks. Perhaps more blacks and hispanics than whites... She loves her school, doesn't wish to be anywhere else. Kids don't have the problems with color that adults do and I take my cues from her, if she's happy and safe, I'm satisfied. If she get's beaten up, we're moving her. Behavior is my gage, not color. She could be beaten up by a white kid and I'd still move her.


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19 Oct 2019, 8:30 pm

Very eloquently put....but....let the games begin.

I’m not a “woe is me” type. I don’t like “whingers,” either. But I still wish Trump would go back to being a reality host.

I have nothing against bikers....but are they a microcosm of the US?

All Trump has to do is lose those states he won in 2016 by less than 1 percentage point....for him to be meat. A goner.

We might not need a flaming liberal SJW type in the White House....but we certainly don’t need Trump there, either.