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02 Feb 2022, 11:12 pm

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So, I see you're disassociating yourself from the "left" and what they stand for, then... After all, even on this site there are members of that "movement" who think jokes about racial stereotypes are acceptable, and who happily use racial slurs about people (thankfully cleared up by moderators, after multiple reports)... Strangely none of the other members on the site who proclaim to be members of the "left" had any issue with those slurs, either (I recall that some tried to defend the slurs used).


In general I've tried to be very consistent when it comes to those things, including when you've faced misinterpretations of what your username was regarding, so you're barking up the wrong tree on this issue.


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02 Feb 2022, 11:20 pm

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In general I've tried to be very consistent when it comes to those things, including when you've faced misinterpretations of what your username was regarding


Yes, that was certainly an interesting discussion, with nothing to do with race, so I was certainly surprised to be "assigned" a race, purely in order to allow the person who did so to try and devalue what I was saying because of the race they assigned me.

On a positive note, it is nice to see that the person involved doesn't try and lecture others on what "racism" is, or declare others as "racists"...



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02 Feb 2022, 11:41 pm

One of the furious Canadians associated with the convoy (from a few days ago):
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03 Feb 2022, 12:02 am

That's funny.

The Gadsden flag isn't loaded in the same way as the two I've focused on.

The Patriote flag is loaded, but not as obviously as the two I've focused on. It's used by nationalists/alt-right groups like La Meute and Storm Alliance, both of which have ties to explicitly white supremacist groups like Soldiers of Odin and Atalante. It's just as much a symbol of the same ideology as the two I've focused on, it's just less widely-known as such so I give normies a lot more leeway for not knowing what it stands for, especially if they're only aware of it in a historic context.


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03 Feb 2022, 6:05 am

This discussion is being sidetracked by a failure to acknowledge the distinction between "proletariat" who work to survive when they can find employment vs. "working class" whose means of livelihood don't require any sort of book learning to prepare for but who live relatively comfortable lives. The latter feel more threatened by those "beneath" them than by the wealthy class.

It's ludicrous to rebuke a poor non-white person for "looking down'" on working class people.


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03 Feb 2022, 6:14 am

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How dare I throw the enablers and the rest of the WN/WS/WC community in with the most extreme?! How dare I not have more tolerance for someone who doesn't actively desire to murder me but just thinks I should be grateful for my loved ones being subjected to genocide?!


Murder you? Subject your loved ones to genocide? Who are you even talking about? This is catastrophizing, or if I'm being less charitable, an extremely convenient excuse to justify bad behavior towards your political opponents. It feels good to be a bully for a cause, doesn't it? All the fun of being cruel to people without any of the guilt, in fact you're being righteous.

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If the most valid criticism you can offer is that I'm treating these people the way the conservatives on this board treated BLM that's not really a significant criticism.


All 3 of them? And really, whataboutism?


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03 Feb 2022, 6:15 am

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It's ludicrous to rebuke a poor non-white person for "looking down'" on working class people.


Why?


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03 Feb 2022, 9:08 am

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It's ludicrous to rebuke a poor non-white person for "looking down'" on working class people.


I can't agree with that and it plays into a false dichotomy that somehow if one isn't white they cease to be part of the working class.


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03 Feb 2022, 9:10 am

Dox47 wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:

How dare I throw the enablers and the rest of the WN/WS/WC community in with the most extreme?! How dare I not have more tolerance for someone who doesn't actively desire to murder me but just thinks I should be grateful for my loved ones being subjected to genocide?!


Murder you? Subject your loved ones to genocide? Who are you even talking about? This is catastrophizing, or if I'm being less charitable, an extremely convenient excuse to justify bad behavior towards your political opponents. It feels good to be a bully for a cause, doesn't it? All the fun of being cruel to people without any of the guilt, in fact you're being righteous.

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If the most valid criticism you can offer is that I'm treating these people the way the conservatives on this board treated BLM that's not really a significant criticism.


All 3 of them? And really, whataboutism?


You're obviously incapable of considering this from a perspective that isn't your own and I'd prefer to not interact with you if you're incapable of considering why I find people who openly display their hatred for people like me unsympathetic.


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03 Feb 2022, 11:35 am

This thread needs a little help:

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Hopefully that clears the room and some peoples' senses.

Deep cleansing breath.. annnnd, don't say stupid things about Indigenous genocide. K thx. :)


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03 Feb 2022, 11:49 am

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This thread needs a little help:

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Hopefully that clears the room and some peoples' senses.

Deep cleansing breath.. annnnd, don't say stupid things about Indigenous genocide. K thx. :)


+ 1 ^^^


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03 Feb 2022, 12:25 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
MaxE wrote:
It's ludicrous to rebuke a poor non-white person for "looking down'" on working class people.


I can't agree with that and it plays into a false dichotomy that somehow if one isn't white they cease to be part of the working class.

This was not a response to anything you said but was an observation regarding a stereotype of a "working class dude" as a white guy who drives a pickup truck and yes that stereotype sort of allows for some people who aren't white or even male to be included. But it's entirely different from what we think of as the proletariat i.e. people whose labor is exploited by capitalists. Some arguments I've seen here seem to take advantage of confusion over those stereotypes when the terms "working class" is used.

I'm sorry if this isn't clear. Unfortunately for the rest of you I wasn't required to pass a test of communication skills before joining WP.


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03 Feb 2022, 12:53 pm

MaxE wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
MaxE wrote:
It's ludicrous to rebuke a poor non-white person for "looking down'" on working class people.


I can't agree with that and it plays into a false dichotomy that somehow if one isn't white they cease to be part of the working class.

This was not a response to anything you said but was an observation regarding a stereotype of a "working class dude" as a white guy who drives a pickup truck and yes that stereotype sort of allows for some people who aren't white or even male to be included. But it's entirely different from what we think of as the proletariat i.e. people whose labor is exploited by capitalists. Some arguments I've seen here seem to take advantage of confusion over those stereotypes when the terms "working class" is used.

I'm sorry if this isn't clear. Unfortunately for the rest of you I wasn't required to pass a test of communication skills before joining WP.


To be fair, I think I got what you were communicating but felt obliged to point out how the wording used comes across if read literally. Your response here makes it clear we're both being critical of that trope and recognize that being working class isn't tied to one's ethnic ancestry or external phenotype.


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03 Feb 2022, 4:18 pm

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They all used every minority rights label they could name: sex, gender, orientation, race, class, unemployment, immigration status, etc. I waited the entire night to hear the word "Disability" but it never came up from any of the five parties. I was really disappointed by that and I wonder if any of you (aspiemike, funeralx, Goldfish) noticed the same.

While I probably disagree with you on a lot of things, I agree with this entirely.

That being said you haven't set foot in canada if you can't say our biggest problem facing the country is hands down the drug/homeless epidemic.

Obviously it's a lot of people with disability etc that end up in those circumstnaces, but an even greater irony is the number with aboriginal backgrounds(not that I care).

But that's Canada invent racial problems out of nowhere, when the statistic don't support those claims. Pretend you've solved a non causation for those invented problems with slogans.

And when all is said and done you ignore the real time logistical problems facing people of the groups you claim to protect.



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03 Feb 2022, 4:23 pm

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Interesting - Someone from the left being against a workers\working class protest...


I'm against a protest where people are happy to show solidarity with guys with swastikas and Confederate flags. Personally I'd consider that a fair litmus test for if I can support a protest, if they tolerate Nazis openly flying their symbols than one should expect left-wingers (along with all other reasonable people) to not express support.

While I detest these protesters and think they should be locked up for threatening the countries infrastructure(the same way I felt about native groups doing the same), you just gotta stop lying.

I mean either you're lying to yourself because you're not aware how much you want to stir the pot, or you're just flat out lying.

The vast majority of people in prison are left wingers, are we suppose to view them as indicative of left wing behavior?

This isn't a far right cause. As others have said you don't live in Canada or at least don't understand what is going on.

I hate everything about truddeau but he gets my support on this singular issue.

The equation is simple, how many people are in hospital?

If you're not talking about hospitalization rates, you're not part of the conversation.

Rates have skyrocketed since omicron logically unvaccinated folks are 20-40 times more likely to end up in hospital.

We as a society can't tolerate that s**t.



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03 Feb 2022, 4:29 pm

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I don't understand what is happening in the last image, sorry.


It's a leftist proclaiming their support for the working class, and then recoiling in disgust upon encountering an actual member of the working class, with a heavy implication that the disgust comes from disapproval of working class culture.

Same as it ever was, you can find accounts of this phenomenon in ancient Rome.

Literally women wearing red haired wigs talking about how they represent the plebians, meanwhile having parties and orgies that would could the plebians 30-40times their annual income.(FYI castrated african sex slaves were somewhat common).



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