IMHO there is no mild jokes about someones medical condition.
This incident brought up a lot of comparisons to the late Don Rickles. I was around for a lot of his heyday. His jokes were way more vicious then most of today’s “edgy” comics could dream of. They were bigoted and he did joke about how people looked. I do not remember him ever making fun of someones medical condition.
Jerk comedians : Chevy , Kevin "sour puss" James , Murray.....these are not nice , not saying they should sign autographs 24/7 but still
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09 Apr 2022, 7:54 am
ASPartOfMe wrote:
All this talk of canceling Will Smith. But if you are Roman Polanski who drugged and raped a 13 year old girl while you can't come back to America your career and adulation from your peers are for the most part unaffected.
Hollyweird has its priorities backwards on steroids
Polanski was also banned from the oscars- for doing that.
And Smith committed his indescretion while AT the Oscars event. Not quite comparable. Your boss is gonna fire you from Joe's Diner if you slap a customer. Not if you beat folks with tire irons on your own time. And your boss isnt gonna reward you for your charity work for Ukrainian orphans with cancer -in your off hours- either. The Oscars are pretty much in line with most institutions.
Who knows! maybe he and Jussie Smollet can do group therapy together
They both need some head shrinking. But for very different conditions.
This is what Smith needs:
Smollett? He is so far gone that I dont know WHAT can be done for him. Pathological liar? Sociopath? Narcissist? Delusional? Some combo of the above? Whatever it is - he is in it on the deep end.
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09 Apr 2022, 9:24 am
I've been having trouble understanding what the punch was all about. I heard that Chris Rock made some kind of terrible unforgivable insult? or made a joke that had something to do with their infidelity?
Mikah wrote:
Doesn't look staged to me.
I had to watch the video a bunch of times to understand what he said before he got punched. So it was a baldness joke?
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09 Apr 2022, 9:33 am
RetroGamer87 wrote:
I've been having trouble understanding what the punch was all about. I heard that Chris Rock made some kind of terrible unforgivable insult? or made a joke that had something to do with their infidelity?
Mikah wrote:
Doesn't look staged to me.
I had to watch the video a bunch of times to understand what he said before he got punched. So it was a baldness joke?
There are plenty of newsources on TV and on the Net to explain it to you, but...yes.
Rock was ...just bantering with Smith. Then Rock said something like "cant wait to see Jada [Smith's wife] star in in the sequel to Demi Moore's movie GI Jane" in which Moore played an army recruit who shaves her head. Smith actually laughed at first. Jada did not look amused. Smith saw his wife's reaction. And then stepped on stage and did the deed.
So yes - it was a reference to baldness.
To me its seems like 'even when celebs get insulted they get high class insults". Even with a shaved head Demi Moore was quite charismatic. So it thats an insult...where do I sign up to get that kinda abuse?
But some folks get upset about it because 'he was making fun of her medical condition'.
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09 Apr 2022, 9:51 am
naturalplastic wrote:
There are plenty of newsources on TV and on the Net to explain it to you, but...yes.
I know I'm probably having a severe aspie moment by not already knowing what it was about. I've seen plenty of people talking about it on Twitter but it always sounded like they were talking about it as though they already knew the full story (which they probably did) rather than explaining it so after reading their comments I still didn't know what had happened.
I realise it probably seemed like I was asking about events that probably seemed really obvious to everyone else in this thread. I had to Google G.I. Jane 2 to find out G.I. Jane was a movie that didn't star Jada Smith and has never had a sequal (again, total aspie moment, for a minute I thought Chris Rock was commenting on an actual movie).
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09 Apr 2022, 10:50 am
naturalplastic wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
All this talk of canceling Will Smith. But if you are Roman Polanski who drugged and raped a 13 year old girl while you can't come back to America your career and adulation from your peers are for the most part unaffected.
Hollyweird has its priorities backwards on steroids
Polanski was also banned from the oscars- for doing that.
And Smith committed his indescretion while AT the Oscars event. Not quite comparable. Your boss is gonna fire you from Joe's Diner if you slap a customer. Not if you beat folks with tire irons on your own time. And your boss isnt gonna reward you for your charity work for Ukrainian orphans with cancer -in your off hours- either. The Oscars are pretty much in line with most institutions.
I was thinking beyond the Oscars, Apple TV+ canceled making his biopic, his talent agency was considering dumping him. What Smith did is a fraction as bad as what Roman Polanski did. While Polanski was not physically at the Oscars if you see the clip what Polanski received was not perfunctory claps but wild enthusiastic cheers.
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09 Apr 2022, 7:01 pm
ASPartOfMe wrote:
I was thinking beyond the Oscars, Apple TV+ canceled making his biopic, his talent agency was considering dumping him. What Smith did is a fraction as bad as what Roman Polanski did. While Polanski was not physically at the Oscars if you see the clip what Polanski received was not perfunctory claps but wild enthusiastic cheers.
The setback is likely to be temporary. For example Mel Gibson basically destroyed his career some years ago, yet he's back directing movies.
I think Will (like Mel) is going to invest his energies into producing/directing rather than acting. He's clearly got a knack for making good movies given "King Richard" is a masterpiece.
I personally think its stupid to do it retrospectively, Shouldn't Roman Polanski and Mel Gibson give theirs back?
naturalplastic wrote:
Yes. Thats a good comparison- to Mel Gibson. And he may well make a similar comeback to that of Mel Gibson.
As with Will Smith what Mel Gibson did was not as bad as what Polanski did.
Mel Gibson is not going to give his Oscars back, especially the ones he won after the controversies. As noted in the last sentence Gibson is back in the god graces of the film industry, but he is not the popular superstar he was before all the mistakes. I think Smith as long as he continues to play nice will regain most if not all of his popularity back.
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