Biden - MAGA Republicans are existential threat to democracy
So, you somehow blame him for the design, creation, and perpetuation of the entire system that he's merely one small cog in the machine of?

Or course not. Are you even trying to make sense?
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So, you somehow blame him for the design, creation, and perpetuation of the entire system that he's merely one small cog in the machine of?

Or course not. Are you even trying to make sense?
So then why any special dislike for him over any other cog?
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So, you somehow blame him for the design, creation, and perpetuation of the entire system that he's merely one small cog in the machine of?

Or course not. Are you even trying to make sense?
So then why any special dislike for him over any other cog?
How do you arrive at that conclusion?
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So, you somehow blame him for the design, creation, and perpetuation of the entire system that he's merely one small cog in the machine of?

Or course not. Are you even trying to make sense?
So then why any special dislike for him over any other cog?
How do you arrive at that conclusion?

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And Trump wasn't? He gave the corporate and wealthy elites a huge, permanent tax break, while throwing a crumb out to ordinary people for a short term tax break. For all of Trump's talk of being a man of the people, he's consistently been a man of his class, holding his middle and lower class supporters in contempt. The fact that he perceives of all his supporters as being racist and uneducated demonstrates the huge gulf between him and over 99% of the country.
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And Trump wasn't? He gave the corporate and wealthy elites a huge, permanent tax break, while throwing a crumb out to ordinary people for a short term tax break. For all of Trump's talk of being a man of the people, he's consistently been a man of his class, holding his middle and lower class supporters in contempt. The fact that he perceives of all his supporters as being racist and uneducated demonstrates the huge gulf between him and over 99% of the country.
One of several hundred myths promulgated by the organge messiah but this is one of his biggies.
He claims to be a man of the American people who is against the establishment. The reason he hasn't been assassinated yet is because he has been giving tax breaks to the ultra wealthy. He of course is one the beneficiaries of his own policies.
And Trump wasn't? He gave the corporate and wealthy elites a huge, permanent tax break, while throwing a crumb out to ordinary people for a short term tax break. For all of Trump's talk of being a man of the people, he's consistently been a man of his class, holding his middle and lower class supporters in contempt. The fact that he perceives of all his supporters as being racist and uneducated demonstrates the huge gulf between him and over 99% of the country.
Of course Trump was a corporate tool. He didn't clean the swamp, etc. That still doesn't negate my points about Biden, his political history, and the political establishment Iabout which I'm talking.
What is your point?
NRO has an excellent point:
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/t ... -republic/
What does this tell us? One, Democrats are utterly insincere in their efforts to claim that they are truly worried that Trump and “MAGA Republicans” are an existential threat to the Republic. That’s exactly why Joe Biden can’t even keep straight the difference between MAGA Republicans and the rest of the party: because he doesn’t really think the post January 6 Trump faction of the party is a real threat, so he is more interested in partisan point-scoring against Republicans as a whole. Two, and relatedly, leading Democrats, in their bones, do not regard what Trump did after the 2020 election as out of bounds. Given their long track record of attacking the legitimacy of elections they lose, top Democrats simply see this as how the game is played and could picture themselves doing the same thing if the roles were reversed. To me, that’s what, say, Josh Shapiro is saying by spending more money on TV ads to help Doug Mastriano than Mastriano himself spent, or what J. B. Pritzker is saying by doing the same for Darren Bailey: This is all just an accepted part of the game. It’s normal. They’d do it themselves. And if some of these Republicans win their races on the strength of the national environment, well, it was worth it just to elect a few more Democrats than would otherwise have won.
Three, of course, while this stuff is dirty pool, there isn’t any law against it, and it would be hard if not impossible to devise one that isn’t bad and unconstitutional, so Republican voters really need to get better at resisting it by being a lot more skeptical of candidates the Democrats are supporting financially. If you’re thinking of voting for Don Bolduc, ask yourself: Why is it worth millions of dollars to Chuck Schumer and Maggie Hassan to nominate this man? Republican voters have learned to mistrust the mainstream media, and even to mistrust many of their own party’s leaders and institutions. It’s time for them to learn to mistrust Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, and DGA chair Roy Cooper.
Fourth, there is no substitute for leadership. Democrats have a large and ever-growing insane faction within their party, but they still have a party establishment capable of guiding their voters to pick the people the party sees as the strongest candidates and avoid the people the party sees as unelectable. We saw that vividly in the 2020 presidential race with the simultaneously orchestrated withdrawals of Pete Buttigieg and Amy Klobuchar timed to consolidate the party behind Joe Biden against Bernie Sanders. As I noted in my latest magazine piece, while Trump is not the sort of strong party leader who can recruit solid candidates and impose discipline — voters have conspicuously rejected some of his choices — he now functions instead as a kind of anti-quality control, selecting his endorsees solely by reference to who is willing to do the most damage to their own credibility with the general electorate in service of Trump’s lies and delusions. Some of the more controversial Trump endorsees will likely win this fall anyway, given the national political tailwinds, but it is likely that Republicans will keep losing winnable races due to bad candidates unless and until the party has a leader who combines the desire to advance the party’s interests as a whole with the discipline and strength of will to get its various factions (of voters, candidates, donors, etc.) on the same page. No matter how badly the Republican Party establishment has failed — both the pre-Trump establishment and the Trump establishment — the idea of not having a party establishment at all is nuts. A successful party must have leaders and a class of professionals committed to the success of the institution, and those leaders and establishment figures must, for the good of the cause, remain in tune with their party’s grassroots and responsive to its needs and desires. The right leader will need to teach Republican voters to trust Republicans more than Democrats with the interests of the party.
Brandon needs to pick a lane, it doesn't look good when his party is bankrolling the very people he's claiming are a direct threat to the country, even the most Trump deranged jackasses can't spin that away.
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And Trump wasn't? He gave the corporate and wealthy elites a huge, permanent tax break, while throwing a crumb out to ordinary people for a short term tax break. For all of Trump's talk of being a man of the people, he's consistently been a man of his class, holding his middle and lower class supporters in contempt. The fact that he perceives of all his supporters as being racist and uneducated demonstrates the huge gulf between him and over 99% of the country.
One of several hundred myths promulgated by the organge messiah but this is one of his biggies.
He claims to be a man of the American people who is against the establishment. The reason he hasn't been assassinated yet is because he has been giving tax breaks to the ultra wealthy. He of course is one the beneficiaries of his own policies.

I thought the reason was because all the crazies with guns willing to commit acts of political violence are supports of his.
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https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/t ... -republic/
What does this tell us? One, Democrats are utterly insincere in their efforts to claim that they are truly worried that Trump and “MAGA Republicans” are an existential threat to the Republic. That’s exactly why Joe Biden can’t even keep straight the difference between MAGA Republicans and the rest of the party: because he doesn’t really think the post January 6 Trump faction of the party is a real threat, so he is more interested in partisan point-scoring against Republicans as a whole. Two, and relatedly, leading Democrats, in their bones, do not regard what Trump did after the 2020 election as out of bounds. Given their long track record of attacking the legitimacy of elections they lose, top Democrats simply see this as how the game is played and could picture themselves doing the same thing if the roles were reversed. To me, that’s what, say, Josh Shapiro is saying by spending more money on TV ads to help Doug Mastriano than Mastriano himself spent, or what J. B. Pritzker is saying by doing the same for Darren Bailey: This is all just an accepted part of the game. It’s normal. They’d do it themselves. And if some of these Republicans win their races on the strength of the national environment, well, it was worth it just to elect a few more Democrats than would otherwise have won.
Three, of course, while this stuff is dirty pool, there isn’t any law against it, and it would be hard if not impossible to devise one that isn’t bad and unconstitutional, so Republican voters really need to get better at resisting it by being a lot more skeptical of candidates the Democrats are supporting financially. If you’re thinking of voting for Don Bolduc, ask yourself: Why is it worth millions of dollars to Chuck Schumer and Maggie Hassan to nominate this man? Republican voters have learned to mistrust the mainstream media, and even to mistrust many of their own party’s leaders and institutions. It’s time for them to learn to mistrust Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, and DGA chair Roy Cooper.
Fourth, there is no substitute for leadership. Democrats have a large and ever-growing insane faction within their party, but they still have a party establishment capable of guiding their voters to pick the people the party sees as the strongest candidates and avoid the people the party sees as unelectable. We saw that vividly in the 2020 presidential race with the simultaneously orchestrated withdrawals of Pete Buttigieg and Amy Klobuchar timed to consolidate the party behind Joe Biden against Bernie Sanders. As I noted in my latest magazine piece, while Trump is not the sort of strong party leader who can recruit solid candidates and impose discipline — voters have conspicuously rejected some of his choices — he now functions instead as a kind of anti-quality control, selecting his endorsees solely by reference to who is willing to do the most damage to their own credibility with the general electorate in service of Trump’s lies and delusions. Some of the more controversial Trump endorsees will likely win this fall anyway, given the national political tailwinds, but it is likely that Republicans will keep losing winnable races due to bad candidates unless and until the party has a leader who combines the desire to advance the party’s interests as a whole with the discipline and strength of will to get its various factions (of voters, candidates, donors, etc.) on the same page. No matter how badly the Republican Party establishment has failed — both the pre-Trump establishment and the Trump establishment — the idea of not having a party establishment at all is nuts. A successful party must have leaders and a class of professionals committed to the success of the institution, and those leaders and establishment figures must, for the good of the cause, remain in tune with their party’s grassroots and responsive to its needs and desires. The right leader will need to teach Republican voters to trust Republicans more than Democrats with the interests of the party.
Brandon needs to pick a lane, it doesn't look good when his party is bankrolling the very people he's claiming are a direct threat to the country, even the most Trump deranged jackasses can't spin that away.
1. They don't need to spin anything. maga platforms are so gross they're a wonderful campaign ad for democrat candidates. Why re-invent the wheel when you can just pay to amplify the craziness of the opposition & use it to get out the vote on your own side? There doesn't seem to be any hidden agendas or anything more to it than that.
2. Laughable that the author of this article claims that democrats would do exactly the same things as trump did after losing the election.. yeah, right. Delusional rants and raves for two years about having "won," an election that they lost.. no American politician before trump has ever done that, and the only ones gearing up to do it in the future are all republicans expecting to lose who now see trump's big lie as their playbook to wind people up and shoot them at the capitol building again or something.
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Looking forward to lots of Maga Republicans taking over congress and the senate after the Nov 8th midterms. They shall prepare the way for the second coming of the orange messiah, and there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth among the Brandonites as democracy crumbles away. Come fourth reich banana republic, come forth.
2. Laughable that the author of this article claims that democrats would do exactly the same things as trump did after losing the election.. yeah, right. Delusional rants and raves for two years about having "won," an election that they lost.. no American politician before trump has ever done that, and the only ones gearing up to do it in the future are all republicans expecting to lose who now see trump's big lie as their playbook to wind people up and shoot them at the capitol building again or something.
Guess I spoke too soon about the spin attempts...
Once again, try reading the article, this wasn't some "amplify the crazy" thing, this was the Democratic party reaching into the GOP primaries (to the tune of millions) and deliberately elevating the Trumpiest candidates, the same ones president Brandon then went on TV and called a threat to democracy and the country. All the blathering in the world isn't going to change the fact that we have the Democrats to thank for these characters, and if they manage to win it will be on their heads, they even primaried moderate Republicans who voted to impeach Trump, such as Peter Meijer, the kind they claim doesn't exist anymore. This is like an arsonist running for fire chief pledging to put out the fires he started, it's just asinine and indefensible.
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Come Roevember, I think you highly underestimate which way people with vaginas and the people who love them (those people And vaginas) are going to vote.
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2. Laughable that the author of this article claims that democrats would do exactly the same things as trump did after losing the election.. yeah, right. Delusional rants and raves for two years about having "won," an election that they lost.. no American politician before trump has ever done that, and the only ones gearing up to do it in the future are all republicans expecting to lose who now see trump's big lie as their playbook to wind people up and shoot them at the capitol building again or something.
Guess I spoke too soon about the spin attempts...
Once again, try reading the article, this wasn't some "amplify the crazy" thing, this was the Democratic party reaching into the GOP primaries (to the tune of millions) and deliberately elevating the Trumpiest candidates, the same ones president Brandon then went on TV and called a threat to democracy and the country. All the blathering in the world isn't going to change the fact that we have the Democrats to thank for these characters, and if they manage to win it will be on their heads, they even primaried moderate Republicans who voted to impeach Trump, such as Peter Meijer, the kind they claim doesn't exist anymore. This is like an arsonist running for fire chief pledging to put out the fires he started, it's just asinine and indefensible.
I comprehend their strategy. Either they were right and it's going to work out very well for them, or they were wrong and it's going to backfire SPECTACULARLY. Time will tell.
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Come Roevember, I think you highly underestimate which way people with vaginas and the people who love them (those people And vaginas) are going to vote.
Your wrong bro.
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And Trump wasn't? He gave the corporate and wealthy elites a huge, permanent tax break, while throwing a crumb out to ordinary people for a short term tax break. For all of Trump's talk of being a man of the people, he's consistently been a man of his class, holding his middle and lower class supporters in contempt. The fact that he perceives of all his supporters as being racist and uneducated demonstrates the huge gulf between him and over 99% of the country.
Of course Trump was a corporate tool. He didn't clean the swamp, etc. That still doesn't negate my points about Biden, his political history, and the political establishment Iabout which I'm talking.
What is your point?
When criticizing Biden but make no mention of Trump, it appears as if Trump is being portrayed as pure as the driven snow.
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