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13 Oct 2023, 5:23 am

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In this context, the Israelis refer to the "Arabian ethnicity" , the people of Arabia (Which is now Saudi Arabia + Gulf states) , not to be confused with the the oher "Arab"'s meaning which simply means, as you stated, an Arabicphone.

Pious Israelis claim that Palestinians are descendands of those desert Arabians came from Arabia during Islamic conquests, and have no bloodline relationship with any native people in this land. They believe, that according to the Bible, the Canaanites who were there before the Jews, were expelled - and therefore there's no way for the Palestinians to be descendands of those.

If somebody is pious, that discredits them in my view. To my understanding, the vast majority of Israelis aren't pious and don't give a toss about any of that. Most of them just want to get on with their lives, same as the rest of us. You may be aware that Netanyahu wants to shut down the Israeli judicial system, which most Israelis don't want. Jews, including members of the military, have protested this for months. One reason this attack from Gaza succeeded was because Netanyahu's actions neutered Israel's defense and intelligence community. No other Israeli PM has ever done such a thing. They don't accept Netanyahu as their CIC and have effectively gone on strike.


Zionist founders were secular, but that doesn't mean they didn't use religion to promote the support for Israel on religious grounds, religious Zionism is a thing too and had been promoted effectively among some Evangelical Christian denominations in the word.

Orthodoxe Jews (Haredim) are the fastest growing faction in Israel, with a birthrate of 6.5 children per women, I am sure most secular women don't pop 6 babies. Israel's future is more orthodoxe.


*Off topic: Strangely, we do have an Evangelical Christian community in Lebanon, they are a very....Americanized community with a command of English much higher than the average local, they have strong ties with US. I have a close friend who was married to one with whom he has a son, the child speaks English (Besides Arabic) fulently as if it's his mother tongue. I have no idea what's their views on Israel.



What do you think Hezbollah is going to do?


Iran is denying involvement in the Hamas attacks (even though everyone knows they are behind it) - so involving Hezbollah into this war would expose them.

I think Iran didn't anticipate the US's reaction under Biden administration would be that extreme, the mobilization of two US carriers probably made them think twice, and there's talk that their $9bn will be refrozen. So far Hezbollah are just doing skirmishes to "save face" in front of their Hamas allies, it's like they are patting on their allies' shoulders "we are supporting you brothers, and that's all we can do for now".

Hamas, while being partially a puppet for Iran, but unlike Hezboollah it is not an exclusive puppet for them. Hamas is part of a different entity: Muslim Brotherhood, other nations such as Turkey's Edogan and Qatar* have great influence on them as well. So for survival, Iran wouldn't hestitate to abandon Hamas to their fate.

*Haniyeh, the Hamas' leader, has operated from Doha, Qatar, since 2020; and yet Qatar allowed Israel to set an office in Doha during World Cup, Qatar is multi-faced.

I hope I am not mistaken. If Hezbollah dragged us to another war for the sake of Hamas, then I expect a civil war would errupt in Lebanon. The Christian Lebanese's secession feelings had never been high ever and it's no longer being a taboo subject among their venues anymore, there had been a lot of talk of Christian secession as they don't want to co-exist with Hezbollah anymore under the same Lebanese banner, mainly due to them (Hezbollah) imposing a foreign policy on Lebanon that doesn't match their Christian pro-western culture, hell, it doesn't even match the Pro-Gulf feelings of the local Sunnites because Iran is enemy of all of them. There's so much inside grudge against Hezbollah from the other sects currently.



Seems very similar to my analysis earlier:
https://youtu.be/zXD8ukKfbQA?si=SDdR2X2iVMGVT_xk



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13 Oct 2023, 5:41 am

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Out of an abundance of caution, neither my wife nor I went to the outdoor market this morning.  Instead, one of our workers volunteered.  He reported that while the merchants were all doing business, there were fewer customers than usual.  We don't know if it is because people fear being attacked by Hamas, or because we had a 5.0 earthquake at about 08:24 local time.

I thought you were in the Philippines. :scratch:

There are disgruntled Muslims in the Philippines.



But there's no Hamas, so the logical conclusion is that Fnord lives in Israel.



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13 Oct 2023, 5:47 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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Out of an abundance of caution, neither my wife nor I went to the outdoor market this morning.  Instead, one of our workers volunteered.  He reported that while the merchants were all doing business, there were fewer customers than usual.  We don't know if it is because people fear being attacked by Hamas, or because we had a 5.0 earthquake at about 08:24 local time.
I thought you were in the Philippines.
There are disgruntled Muslims in the Philippines.
But there's no Hamas, so the logical conclusion is that Fnord lives in Israel.
Wrong again.

I live in the Philippines.

Since the late 1960s, terrorism has become a major problem in the Philippines.  These terrorist attacks are often carried out by several Jihadist and militants groups with different ideologies and motives.  Such acts of terrorism include Bombings, Domestic terrorism, Kidnapping, Drug trafficking, Extortion, Mass murder, Assassination and other types of attack.  Terrorist groups like Abu Sayyaf, the Bangsamoro Islamic Freedom Fighters and Jemaah Islamiyah.  The New People's Army maintains a wider range of operations across the country and launches attacks albeit on a lesser intensity than other rebel movements.

So maybe the locals are not afraid of Hamas, specifically, but one of the many other local Islamic terrorist groups.

But hey, this is the Philippines, so nobody cares, right?

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13 Oct 2023, 6:10 am

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But hey, this is the Philippines, so nobody cares, right?

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Welcome to the Not America Club ;) You'll get used to it.

I don't see news on current terrorist attacks in Philippines so I guess you're reasonably safe despite the initial fears?


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13 Oct 2023, 6:17 am

I didn't know Fnord lived in the Philippines. The more you know!


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13 Oct 2023, 6:48 am

Fnord wrote:
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Out of an abundance of caution, neither my wife nor I went to the outdoor market this morning.  Instead, one of our workers volunteered.  He reported that while the merchants were all doing business, there were fewer customers than usual.  We don't know if it is because people fear being attacked by Hamas, or because we had a 5.0 earthquake at about 08:24 local time.
I thought you were in the Philippines.
There are disgruntled Muslims in the Philippines.
But there's no Hamas, so the logical conclusion is that Fnord lives in Israel.
Wrong again.

I live in the Philippines.

Since the late 1960s, terrorism has become a major problem in the Philippines.  These terrorist attacks are often carried out by several Jihadist and militants groups with different ideologies and motives.  Such acts of terrorism include Bombings, Domestic terrorism, Kidnapping, Drug trafficking, Extortion, Mass murder, Assassination and other types of attack.  Terrorist groups like Abu Sayyaf, the Bangsamoro Islamic Freedom Fighters and Jemaah Islamiyah.  The New People's Army maintains a wider range of operations across the country and launches attacks albeit on a lesser intensity than other rebel movements.

So maybe the locals are not afraid of Hamas, specifically, but one of the many other local Islamic terrorist groups.

But hey, this is the Philippines, so nobody cares, right?

:roll:



No body cares for 3rd world countries, only for White 1sr/2nd countries.

Doesn’t ring a bell? Hmm?



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13 Oct 2023, 7:34 am

I don't care more about the US than any other country and never really understood patriotism. It's tribal and leads to lots of unpleasantness. I usually try to be as ill-informed as possible about what goes on here and elsewhere because I find it upsetting, and there's nothing I can do about it anyway. I get panic attacks just from watching the news sometimes, so I usually don't.

Unlike me, most people seem to care about their country more than other ones, but I don't think it means that they wouldn't care at all if they knew what was happening.

Choosing sides, especially to an extreme extent, seems tribal to me. It makes people lose sight of the atrocities their side is committing or has committed in the past.


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13 Oct 2023, 7:41 am

It's natural that people are more interested in things that directly affect them than in things that don't - and that people know more about things that are close to them that about things that are far away.
That's why I pay a lot of attention to Boo's comments on politics in Middle East.
Especially that Lebanon is at risk of getting sucked into all this 8O


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13 Oct 2023, 7:54 am

It's extremely concerning. I wish certain aquatic vertebrate animals could leave the region. People too.

I think it's easy to lose the human element (etc.) when people choose sides so strongly.


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13 Oct 2023, 7:58 am

Frankly, Third world countries' peoples often tend to make vey wrong choices. In the Philippines they voted overwhelmingly for the son of a dictator, whose's rule was the worst in their modern history and behind the largest-ever theft from the government.
My girlfriend was no fan of Rodrigo Duterte but yet voted for Ferdinand Marcos Jr. (yet the two men are allies, Duterte's dauther was the running mate of his presidential campaign); I asked her why and she claims the son is totally different than his father.
I hope so...I find that very hard to believe tho; I think it has to do with the "US camp vs China camp" thing there.



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13 Oct 2023, 8:05 am

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It's extremely concerning. I wish certain aquatic vertebrate animals could leave the region. People too.

I think it's easy to lose the human element (etc.) when people choose sides so strongly.


It's snail season.

https://www.instagram.com/snailand_leb/



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13 Oct 2023, 8:11 am

I hadn't even considered that... It must be because I haven't had my coffee yet.


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13 Oct 2023, 9:48 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
No body cares for 3rd world countries, only for White 1sr/2nd countries.

Doesn’t ring a bell? Hmm?

World travel is pretty new still. I've thought for years, and have more recently seen articles about it, that people will eventually mix to become one skin tone and one bone structure. (Well, mostly.) Eventually people won't fight over the melanin content of their skin anymore. Nor for oil.. nah, future wars will be fought over water for survival, inhabitable territory because some places are heating up fast. I've read that by 2050 there will be 1.1-1.3 Billion climate change refugees.. the largest mass migration of humans ever - people who need to leave hot drought stricken areas if they're going to have food/water at all. Still too soon for one skin colour then.. so racism will likely still play a significant role in the world, but eventually we'll all look pretty similar unless something keeps us apart and people stop mixing. And with how badly we've screwed up the planet, we may end up Much more accepting of any potential reproductive mate just to keep the species going.

But for right now, yeah, I'd agree that racial prejudices play a role in most of the world's perceptions of conflicts in developing nations. It's a simple fact of the reality we live in. Like the family guy skin tone memes.. I'm sure Americans are taught via media influence that Israelis are freedom fighters and Palestinians are terrorists or whatever - especially if all they consume is fox news, which can be pretty overtly racist. Reality is much more complicated.


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13 Oct 2023, 10:02 am

With all respect, I don't think the fact that Armenians from Karabach are light-skinned makes the rest of the world particularily interested in what's happening there. Geography and money attract media. Middle East gets more attention than Caucasus.


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13 Oct 2023, 10:05 am

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With all respect, I don't think the fact that Armenians from Karabach are light-skinned makes the rest of the world particularily interested in what's happening there. Geography still plays the first violin.

And perhaps $$$$ from resources or trade from a geographic region is the first note.

Not a place 'merica can exploit for profit = they're not bringing you any freedom or democracy and you can fight amongst yourselves as long as you wish.


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13 Oct 2023, 10:08 am

Yes, while you were responding, I added money.
Probably money is the most important. Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Europe, Middle East, China - they get attention because there's money to lose.


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