Emergence of a Deadly Coronavirus
Especially after untold millions lose their jobs.
I think this thing could possibly end up destroying civilization in the process of trying to save it.
The greatest harm can result from the best intentions - that is that kind of **** up I think really will bring about the end of the world as we know it.
That depends on humanity and how we take care of each other. There are awakenings of kindness across the globe. In Israel the whole country stood on our balconies and cheered the medical staff, supermarket workers and messengers at 18:00IST yesterday. We took pots and pans and made a cocophony of sound in solidarity. People phoned me to ask if I need anything because they know I am in quarantine. Everyone is running errands for the elderly who are quarantined. Less Instagram, less selfishness. It will be alright.It will be simpler and better.
China has gifted large amounts of medical supplies to Israel in reciprocity for our assistance to their Corona crisis. The world is changing.
I'm thinking that I might need to buy a few chickens and a donkey though
I see what you are saying and I hope it goes that way here.
But here what has stood out the most so far is the hoarding.
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Especially after untold millions lose their jobs.
I think this thing could possibly end up destroying civilization in the process of trying to save it.
The greatest harm can result from the best intentions - that is that kind of **** up I think really will bring about the end of the world as we know it.
That depends on humanity and how we take care of each other. There are awakenings of kindness across the globe. In Israel the whole country stood on our balconies and cheered the medical staff, supermarket workers and messengers at 18:00IST yesterday. We took pots and pans and made a cocophony of sound in solidarity. People phoned me to ask if I need anything because they know I am in quarantine. Everyone is running errands for the elderly who are quarantined. Less Instagram, less selfishness. It will be alright.It will be simpler and better.
China has gifted large amounts of medical supplies to Israel in reciprocity for our assistance to their Corona crisis. The world is changing.
I'm thinking that I might need to buy a few chickens and a donkey though
I see what you are saying and I hope it goes that way here.
But here what has stood out the most so far is the hoarding.
I think Ezra that when the public see that the shelves in the stores are being replenished on a regular basis, and that there is no lack of basic commodities then they will calm down a bit and stop hoarding. It is the initial shock, when we establish a new routine and see that we can get what we need when we need it we will all panic less. There are plenty of reserves and import and export of food is still robust as far as I know.
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Hold my Corona! I've been preparing for this my whole life! Give me six feet, f*****s, or doused with Lysol. Well, I don't actually have any Lysol at the moment, but I've got several of bottles of hydrogen peroxide I've put into plastic spray bottles and I'm not afraid to use them!
If hydrogen peroxide is all you have, you might want to scroll back to when I misunderstood your question about toilet paper substitutes. I have a bad answer for toilet paper but a pretty good answer for Lysol substitutes.
I actually found some toilet paper, so I'm good there. But I am open to disinfecting alternatives.
Lemon juice, vinegar, maybe roam around a swimming pool supplies store, booze, those are all I can remember for now.
Do you know how to make moonshine?
I know how to make weak alcoholic beverages, but don't have the equipment to distill moonshine.
Especially after untold millions lose their jobs.
I think this thing could possibly end up destroying civilization in the process of trying to save it.
The greatest harm can result from the best intentions - that is that kind of **** up I think really will bring about the end of the world as we know it.
That depends on humanity and how we take care of each other. There are awakenings of kindness across the globe. In Israel the whole country stood on our balconies and cheered the medical staff, supermarket workers and messengers at 18:00IST yesterday. We took pots and pans and made a cocophony of sound in solidarity. People phoned me to ask if I need anything because they know I am in quarantine. Everyone is running errands for the elderly who are quarantined. Less Instagram, less selfishness. It will be alright.It will be simpler and better.
China has gifted large amounts of medical supplies to Israel in reciprocity for our assistance to their Corona crisis. The world is changing.
I'm thinking that I might need to buy a few chickens and a donkey though
I see what you are saying and I hope it goes that way here.
But here what has stood out the most so far is the hoarding.
I think Ezra that when the public see that the shelves in the stores are being replenished on a regular basis, and that there is no lack of basic commodities then they will calm down a bit and stop hoarding. It is the initial shock, when we establish a new routine and see that we can get what we need when we need it we will all panic less. There are plenty of reserves and import and export of food is still robust as far as I know.
It displayed the every man for himself instinct that that most humans are inherently equipped with.
Your hope is they will rise above that and I hope you are right.
I think one big reason why bulk buying may now ( or soon ) slow or stop , for a while at least, is that a lot of people were buying huge quantities of stuff so that they could stay home and not have to go outside for weeks/months/as long as possible. When their supplies start running out/low I think there'll be another wave of bulk buying. When that happens will depend on how well they stocked up this time, how organised they were.
PS. I wonder if some people are driven by anxiety after seeing how people in Wuhan were often/increasingly dependent on state run deliveries, only allowed out every 4 days, had to nominate one person per household for trips outside, and the screening checks at every main road/edge of city sectors which meant some people didn't make it home because their temperature was too high after shopping etc ( not surprising after exercise ).
I know that I have been influenced by those reports into adding to my already existing Brexit-chaos-stocks this last two weeks so that can hole up for next 2 months at least.
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There is some indication that jobless claims could spike next week to over 2 million. This would simply be staggering:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/19/economi ... virus.html
If you look at the historical data, this would be more than twice the record high set in 1982:
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-sta ... ess-claims
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I think one big reason why bulk buying may now ( or soon ) slow or stop , for a while at least, is that a lot of people were buying huge quantities of stuff so that they could stay home and not have to go outside for weeks/months/as long as possible. When their supplies start running out/low I think there'll be another wave of bulk buying.
Maybe also. What is happening in my country is that the quarantined old people are having their shopping done by young neighbours and family, volunteers so the panic for commodities is waning. A new system is being established and those who are not working/studying have something worthwhile to do. Everyone is helping each other.
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I know how to make weak alcoholic beverages, but don't have the equipment to distill moonshine.
Captions are in Polish but the idea is quite simple.

You need 1 big pot, 1 small pot, a bowl or upside down lid for the big pot, source of heat and some flour for sealing.
You put some bricks or other stand into the big one. Put the small one on the stand. Pour mash into the big one. Put the bowl / upside down lid on the big pot and seal it tightly with flour+water dough. Pour some cold water or put some ice into the bowl / upside down lid. Heat slowly and patiently.
Requires some practice but it's enormously low-tech.
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Article about coronavirus and exponential growth :
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ial-growth
We are already in the midst of exponential growth in the coronavirus outbreak, with every indicator suggesting that the virus is now spreading unchecked within communities across the country.
The good news, though, is that if we act today instead of tomorrow we can prevent a huge number of infections, and a lot of deaths. Time is of the absolute essence here, and it’s individual choices that matter the most. Aggressive social distancing, avoiding all non-essential social contact, avoiding public places like bars, restaurants and movie theaters, and practicing obsessive hand hygiene are all critically important. If you have any cold or flu-like symptoms, assume you have the coronavirus and isolate yourself as strictly as possible until two to three days after all symptoms have resolved. If you develop shortness of breath, chest pain, confusion, or marked weakness, then please see a doctor.
It’s a rare situation when the lives of others are in the hands of regular people everywhere, young and old, rich and poor, no matter your occupation, and no matter where you live. We’re living it right now. Please take it so, so seriously.
I know.
Statistical analyses are only as reliable as the underlying data.
Stanford Professor: Data Indicates We’re Severely Overreacting To Coronavirus
In an analysis published Tuesday, Stanford’s John P.A. Ioannidis — co-director of the university’s Meta-Research Innovation Center and professor of medicine, biomedical data science, statistics, and epidemiology and population health — suggests that the response to the coronavirus pandemic may be “a fiasco in the making” because we are making seismic decisions based on “utterly unreliable” data. The data we do have, Ioannidis explains, indicates that we are likely severely overreacting.
“The current coronavirus disease, Covid-19, has been called a once-in-a-century pandemic. But it may also be a once-in-a-century evidence fiasco,” Ioannidis writes in an opinion piece published by STAT on Tuesday.
“Draconian countermeasures have been adopted in many countries. If the pandemic dissipates — either on its own or because of these measures — short-term extreme social distancing and lockdowns may be bearable,” the statistician writes. “How long, though, should measures like these be continued if the pandemic churns across the globe unabated? How can policymakers tell if they are doing more good than harm?”
The woefully inadequate data we have so far, the meta-research specialist argues, indicates that the extreme measures taken by many countries are likely way out of line and may result in ultimately unnecessary and catastrophic consequences. Due to extremely limited testing, we are likely missing “the vast majority of infections” from COVID-19, he states, thus making reported fatality rates from the World Health Organization “meaningless.”
“Patients who have been tested for SARS-CoV-2 are disproportionately those with severe symptoms and bad outcomes,” Ioannidis explains. With very limited testing in many health systems, he suggests, that “selection bias” may only get worse going forward.
Ioannidis then zooms in on the “one situation” where “an entire, closed population was tested”: the Diamond Princess cruise ship’s quarantined passengers. While the fatality rate was 1.0%, he points out, the population was largely elderly, the most at-risk demographic. Projected out onto the age structure of the U.S. population, he calculates, the death rate is more like 0.125%, with a range of 0.025% to 0.625% based on the sample size:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/stanford ... oronavirus
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It’s no BS in NY State. 5,300 cases with limited testing so far. I sense it will be in the hundreds of thousands when all is said and done. Let’s hope not! Not deaths...cases.
I think I may have it.
I’m getting tested.
Nothing to panic about.....but we have to do something......and we are.
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I think I may have it.
I’m getting tested.
Nothing to panic about.....but we have to do something......and we are.
Do you have a fever, sore throat, dry cough, very tired Kraftie? I knew the subway was a bad idea. I'm praying it's a regular cold.
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I had a “regular cold” until I started running a slight fever and had chills and sweats overnight.
Many people have mild symptoms.
I was to take my mother for an infusion....but I decided to be safe, rather than sorry. She’s 85 years old, and is immunocompromised. If she gets what I may have, it might kill her.
