Emergence of a Deadly Coronavirus
I'd say another factor that makes this disease spread faster than your average virus is precisely the fact that the light cases are hard to detect, so people go to work and infect others in perfect ignorance. Most countries do not have enough testing capacity, for various reasons.
Precisely.
I have been saying, for a long time, that the infection/death-rate percentage is exaggerated because of this.
There seems to never be a guesstimate on how many people are mildly infected, get over it, and have been undiagnosed.
This is a "novel" virus.
Many have very mild cases to the point of not realising it.
There was a respected Australian Doctor, who had the disease, and visited around 70 patients.
Even *he* didn't realise he had the virus.
And children constantly cough all over the place as a default and are not in a position to self diagnose.
It doesn’t matter, though. I’m not going anywhere for a while.
$2.20 per litre?
That is very high.
Over here in Australia, it is "only" around $1.50, and should be lower.
Now here is "The Bite":
Are you seriously telling me that you only pay $2.20 per gallon?! ! !
Lucky bastardos.
2.20 per gallon. In the us, gas is sold by the gallon, which translates to 3.78 liters.
A gallon is a hell of a lot more than a litre.
I think you need to redo the maths.
Yes Pepe, it's per U.S. gallon. Today the cost of gas or "petrol" in my town is $1.99 U.S. dollars per U.S. gallon.
That is very cheap, compared to what it costs in Oz.
Good luck to ewes.
I think "fracking" has kept the prices down over there.
BTW, I am *not* saying fracking is a good or bad thing.
Millennials and Gen Z's from Florida are frustrated that old farts are closing down their parties.
"Being cool and getting laid is important to me," says Jeremy, a teenager from West Palm Beach. "how am I supposed to do these things when The Man keeps trying to oppress me and take away my freedoms?"
"It's really messing up with my spring break. What is there to do here other than go to bars or the beach? And they're closing all of it," a woman named Brianna said in a CBS News video.
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Dr. Giorgio Palù is a Professor of Virology and Microbiology at the University of Padova, and he was formerly the President of the European and Italian Society for Virology. In an interview with CNN, he said that the reason the disease has struck Italy so fiercely is because the government delayed imposing travel restrictions on people coming from China until it was too late. He said the country’s response was “lazy in the beginning” because of “too much politics.”
“There was a proposal to isolate people coming from the epicenter, coming from China,” Palù told CNN. “Then it became seen as racist, but they were people coming from the outbreak.”
Since then, Italy has become the hardest-hit country in the world after China, and has had the most victims in Europe by far. The first confirmed cases of the infection in Italy were found in two Chinese tourists in January.
https://voiceofeurope.com/2020/03/italy ... a-chinese/
I think a bigger issue was that once there started to be infected locals (after hugging Chinese or after touching a doorknob and rubbing their eyes, or after hugging their auntie coming back from China, doesn't matter), the Italians couldn't stop hugging each other. They are very physical in showing affection.
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"Being cool and getting laid is important to me," says Jeremy, a teenager from West Palm Beach. "how am I supposed to do these things when The Man keeps trying to oppress me and take away my freedoms?"
"It's really messing up with my spring break. What is there to do here other than go to bars or the beach? And they're closing all of it," a woman named Brianna said in a CBS News video.
Yeah, I think they'll get over it.
This. Mild, very mild and asymptomatic cases don't matter on individual suffering level but they matter as hell to spreading pace of the infection.
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"Being cool and getting laid is important to me," says Jeremy, a teenager from West Palm Beach. "how am I supposed to do these things when The Man keeps trying to oppress me and take away my freedoms?"
"It's really messing up with my spring break. What is there to do here other than go to bars or the beach? And they're closing all of it," a woman named Brianna said in a CBS News video.
Yeah, I think they'll get over it.
But some of the older people won't.
It is not uncommon that kids are selfish/ego-centric.
They lack experience, often have the arrogance of youth and think they are "bulletproof".
The Prime Minister is profoundly frustrated that so many people are ignoring his social-distancing recommendations.
Bondi beach was full of people yesterday.
I am not suggesting middle-aged people weren't involved.
Australian society is embarrassingly selfish, these days.
I have never seen the like.
NT selfishness.
What can you do?
I agree, with myself, that autistic individuals are often uncomfortable with hand-shaking, hugging and kissing.
I hope this NT social practice discontinues, past the present health crisis (yes, I used the word "crisis" unapologetically
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"Being cool and getting laid is important to me," says Jeremy, a teenager from West Palm Beach. "how am I supposed to do these things when The Man keeps trying to oppress me and take away my freedoms?"
"It's really messing up with my spring break. What is there to do here other than go to bars or the beach? And they're closing all of it," a woman named Brianna said in a CBS News video.
World Health Organization: Young people aren't invincible, and 'this virus could kill you'
"Although older people are the hardest hit, younger people are not spared," he said, adding that there are a "significant" number of cases in people under 50.
"Today I have a message for young people: You are not invincible. This virus cold put you in the hospital for weeks or even kill you," Tedros said. "Even if you don't get sick, the choices you make about where you go can be the difference between life and death for someone else."
He added that he's grateful for the young people who are "spreading the word and not the virus."
In a press briefing on Friday, New York governor Andrew Cuomo delivered a similar message, telling young people who think they can't get or transmit the virus they are flat-out wrong.
In France, more than 50% of coronavirus cases are under 60 years old.
An increasing number of personal accounts have illustrated how devastating COVID-19 can be, even for healthy young people. One 44-year-old marathoner, for example, said his illness is so severe he needs oxygen to breathe and can barely eat lunch.
Americans ages 65 and older are still suffering the highest rates of death and serious illness, but younger adults, children, and even infants can can develop serious illness or die from the disease.
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This. Mild, very mild and asymptomatic cases don't matter on individual suffering level but they matter as hell to spreading pace of the infection.
Yes. Thank you for reiterating this. The invisibly compromised people don't stand a chance when people are being so nonchalant. Some people seem to think if no one is coughing, then everyone is OK. Epic fail.
Agreed.
Many people are stupid and selfish.
Or is that selfish and stupid?
I suspect few on the autism spectrum are acting irresponsibly.
Same happening with KFC where I am.
I had to tell a guy that it was drive-through only.
They need a bigger sign in front.
It’s crazy!
Respectfully disagree.
I see it as responsible.
You can still buy take-away.
I don't see the problem.
Does it really help much lol standing in line to get food just as bad as people eating inside
Good point.
However,
I haven't experienced having to stand in line, myself.
And you have to do it at the supermarket. Just don't breath while you are standing there.
Simples.
And if you are standing in line at a drive-through, without your car, you are rather odd.
BTW, It is against their rulz here.
Also, there is a huge drop in the numbers who go to restaurants, etc, mitigating the problem.
Wouldn't a lot of people take food from home these days?
There seems to never be a guesstimate on how many people are mildly infected, get over it, and have been undiagnosed.
This is not true at all.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4 ... oronavirus
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-ne ... e-u-s-now/
The expert mentioned in this last one is Trevor Bedford, who's on Twitter and makes great tweets. If you're interested in keeping up on the subject, you should follow him.
https://twitter.com/trvrb/with_replies
It was partly thanks to him back in late February that I recognized this problem was a lot bigger than it looked at the time, due to inadequate testing. (And in fact, I discussed it here on this thread back in late February.)
And I've seen a lot of other estimates as well, and I think thus far they have been panning out.
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I want to remind everybody of a couple of points to show why you can't just look at the total number of deaths right now, the total number of serious cases right now, and just divide these by the total number of cases right now.
1.) Coronavirus cases take at least 2 weeks to resolve. 2-3 weeks for mild cases, and 3-6 weeks for severe cases.
2.) The vast vast majority of the total number of cases right now, were diagnosed in just the past week.
These cases have not all had time to resolve yet, so you can't draw any conclusions from the set of numbers I mentioned in my first paragraph right now.
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Mild cases matter too because they are highly contagious.
What may be a "mild" case for someone healthy, could be transmitted as a "serious or deadly" case to someone without (the luxury of) a strong immune system.
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