Emergence of a Deadly Coronavirus

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I've been telling people that the confirmed cases are showing us the PAST, not the present.

There's also a severe shortage of tests in many places, so we aren't yet seeing accurate data worldwide.

Plus, tourist countries are being hit first, and unpopular countries are being hit last. A big reason why we're seeing problems in Europe is because everyone travels there. By comparison, very few people travel to remote African countries. I've heard some claim that "warm weather" protects places like Africa which is BS.

Anyone else spend hours doing online grocery orders because the sites keep crashing, and you don't know if you've paid like 500 times or not at all? I'm so over it. It's also frustrating that you don't know if you'll get what you ordered or if it's out of stock, until it's delivered. My delivery options are at least a week but I know people waiting six weeks.

Thank you for the information.
My "fishing expeditions" usually go unrewarded.

I haven't look at your links, yet.
Does "WHO" incorporate guesstimations in their figures?

Once again,
Thank you for your reply.

That is the point I have been making.
And 80% of those infected *and* identified, don't go to the hospital.


Yup.

And, how many have it, overcome it and will simply go on with their lives, totally oblivious of the fact?
A "novel" coronavirus idea, that one.

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Precisely.
That is why I adopt a stoic, laid-back approach here.

We are dealing with a virus which is new/novel.
We really don't know where the stats will fall at this stage.

People who think they know the answers are fooling themselves, imo.
I think we will find out when we find out, but not sooner.

But, hey, speculation, intellectual gymnastics, is fun, well for some.

It will be interesting to see how things turn out in a year's time.
We "should" have a vaccine, by then.
Perhaps we won't even need it, as was the case with SARS?

See you then.
Same place.
Same channel.
Bring chips and soft drinks.

Agreed,
It isn't the warm weather,
It is the humidity.

Droplets from people coughing and sneezing don't travel as far with higher humidity, apparently.

Dr. Fauci here:

I can't speak of other governments but the Australian government has been acknowledged as being underprepared and the leadership under the Morrison government have been slow to react.


I am waiting for advice on how the girl in the video you posted created a "fluted" paper towel like magic. Most of us don't have origami skills.


I have not personally seen this but Asian Australians have posted their individual stories of discrimination or racism in the media and I believe them. There is a general fear of Asians walking around with masks as there is some concern they may be wearing it because they are infected. As you can imagine it's difficult to shift the general population fears over Asians with masks. I personally keep social distance from everybody.



Everyone knows that these communicable viruses like cat flu, bird flu, SARS and COVID19 originate in China. I recall losing money after cancelling an overseas a decade ago due to fears over bird flu. I personally have lost thousands of dollars from our superannuation and from cancelled trips we had planned in 2020. While I object to blaming China I do understand the resentment against Chinese people. Our politicians have openly called for less reliance on the Chinese economy. Australian universities are cutting courses that traditionally attract students from the PRC. This is shaping up to be an economic and social disaster zone here in Australia.

The small token gestures made by Taiwan are going to be a drop in the ocean and you can't shift people's long term views that China's inability (Specifically Xi Jinping) to control disease outbreaks has been the cause of this current global collapse.

I heard a theory a few minutes ago and it is a really, really good theory.

One of the things that President Trump did yesterday was to streamline the use of chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine in the treatment of the coronavirus.

According to the NYT:

The malaria drugs, chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine, are among the remedies that have been tried in several countries as the virus has spread around the world, killing at least 9,800.

Both drugs have gone into short supply in the United States this month, as word has spread of their potential benefit to coronavirus patients. Manufacturers of the generic products have said they are ramping up production. One company, Teva, said it would donate millions of pills of hydroxychloroquine to hospitals, and another company, Mylan, said it would restart production of the drug.

Doctors in China, South Korea and France have reported that the treatments seem to help. But those efforts have not involved the kind of large, carefully controlled studies that would provide the global medical community the proof that these drugs work on a significant scale.

Now here is the part that makes this very interesting and from my frame of reference a good theory.
I remember that someone on this thread noted that the cases of this coronavirus is hitting the world disproportionately. They don't seem to be showing up in Africa, India, South America, and Mexico. Interesting, maybe you could chalk it up on the fact that these countries do not have Tier 1 medical staff and testing facilities. But let us look at it from a different frame of reference.

Malaria is a terrible sickness. There were 219 million cases of malaria globally in 2017 and 435 000 malaria deaths. Someone theorized that the reason why this drug was effective against the coronavirus was because it was effective against malaria.

So I pulled up a map of malaria infected areas.



Now where are the countries that have malaria. They are Africa, India, South America, and Mexico.

If I catch this particular virus, I think I will be one of the first in line for volunteering for this drug treatment.

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That makes them the serious cases. They probably make up the bulk of serious cases.

Even if there was not any kind of lockdown I would still be staying inside due to my vulnerability.

I do not need the government to shut everything down for weeks on end to keep me safe.

I have always had to keep myself extra safe from just regular flu and pneumonia. That has always been mine and my family's job to keep me safe from viruses due to my lifelong respiratory issues.

If the government said to me "Hey Mr. Shea, there is a nasty virus out that is mild for most people, but might kill you, do you want us to shut down the city to keep you safe?"

My answer would be no of course.

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Autralia is researching this too:

EzraS I have found that a supplement Juvenon which is available only over the Internet has significantly improved my lung function. As a result, I have been using it for over a decade. It has jimmy m. approval.

Friday night ghost town. 90% empty. Freaky. And sad. All these nice little businesses and resturants going out of business.

All so that those like me in the 3-5%, will not catch a virus.

It seems there is an additional problem.
Here, in Australia, it seems profiteering has also added to the situation.
This has been a problem, here in OZ, with baby formula, for a long time.
There are suspicions that now it is happening with other products.

I heard that some women (men?) are buying and consuming baby formula in place of regular milk.

These are people who don't have babies.

What the hell is wrong with people.