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From day one, it seems you have whitewashed their actions. You are apologist/sympathizer pure and simple. If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen.

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Trolling for a response?

Maybe you it's time for a mod to lock this thread.

I agree. We do not need more propaganda from the apologists

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What sort of news-as-consumer-product attitude is that? We want dangerous enemies, far away! We demand conspiracy theories, everywhere! We want EXCITEMENT, DAMMIT!

< /sarcasm >

I know, but there is Fox News for that!

The last time I checked for the first time they are all in sync.

...I believe we both mis-typed a bit , so I did not comment on that .
I don't want to do this more , now , anyway.



sly279"]No I replied to you saying I'm repeating the nra fund raising letters whichever him not.

Replace new and Nora with nra as my tablet replaced it with those as nra and other gun stuff isn't in apple's dictionary.

Though perhaps I should join the nra for while I don't agree with them on everything they'll one of the main groups defending me and my rights.[/quote]

All said and done on this thread. The debate went off track when the personal attacks began. The "You are's" are unnecessary - personal denigration is not acceptable however much opinions differ.

It's sometimes hard to remember that every one of us is an individual. Groupings and categorization are useful tools, but when they are used out of laziness and fear they are dangerous.
In my country women with headscarves are being targeted for harassment. These incidents are examples of fear ruling people.
I really hope that the people fleeing these war torn countries will be accepted and not judged on the actions of a few.

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

Dear Androbot,

Well said.

R.I.P. To the innocent people enjoying a holiday meal with their co-workers, perhaps they are even now telling those two murderers what pain they caused.

Perhaps at the Last Judgement, we shall all be confronted by everyone we have hurt in life, and will be made to experience the pain caused by our words and actions.

Perhaps the families and friends of the S.B. victims will, when their lives are over, will, in the afterlife, be able to express to those two how they for years had longed for one more chance to tell their loved ones how much they were missed.

And to those Muslims worldwide who will experience suspicion and fear and prejudice because of this, I am truly sorry.

No.

I am one of Koch Brothers. A libertarian conservative. Thats Im aware of the existence of the Constitution!

Or ,I could be just any native born American who got through middle school! Lol!

Dont know how you got "liberal" out of what I said.

Whether I am liberal or conservative is irelevent.

Whats relevant is that in the American legal system you cant forbid gun ownership based upon religion.

What part of the phrase "you cant do that" do you not understand?

Its simply cannot be done unless you radically damage the American legal system.

Doesnt matter how much you fear Muslims, or how much you want to seperate them from guns, the fact is that in the American legal system you cannot make legislation worded that way: " folks of X religion cannot own guns". Every middle school kid in the US knows that.

So to suggest that as a solution is to dump into your own pants, and to make a fool of yourself in public. So there is no point in posting such a thing. I am trying to help you protect yourself from yourself, but you just keep on proudly advertising your own ignorance. For your own sake you should cease and desist.

These mythical "bleeding heart liberals who feel sorry for the victims" dont exist. What exists are folks from the right, left, and middle, who want to protect YOUR rights from government overreach. Ban Muslims from owning guns today, and they could ban some group you belong to from free assembly the next day, and then ban you from voting the day after that.

Or thats the logic of the Constitution.

If you propose subverting the Constitution then at least aknowledge that thats what you are doing, and take responseablity for that (ie state that "yes this is radical. But desperate times ...blah blah"). Like that.

Amendments ? As an alleged native born American who claims to have got through Middle School, are you aware of the existence of AMENDMENTS ?

Subverting the Constitution -- gee, so dramatic !

Denying members of any one religion a right that is enjoyed by members of any other religion subverts the Constitution.

That part about "... the free exercise thereof" covers a lot of ground.

Well said. This support for gun restrictions and special treatment for certain religions is profoundly anti-American.

Specifically, the idea of special treatment for muslims is in opposition to the First Amendment:
http://www.senate.gov/civics/constituti ... dt_1_(1791)

The idea of special restrictions on gun ownership for members of any particular religion is in opposition to the First and Second Amendments:
http://www.senate.gov/civics/constituti ... dt_2_(1791)

Many Americans seem willing to abandon the liberty their ancestors secured for them in the Revolution, but no amount of terrorist plotting justifies abandonment of the Fourth Amendment, no matter how convenient that would be for police and security agencies.
http://www.senate.gov/civics/constituti ... mdt_4_1791

Protecting these rights and principles is the duty of all Americans, not the special territory of members of any particular party or any place on the left-right political spectrum.

If you are a US Citizen and you are all fired up to deny Constitutional protections to some of your fellow citizens, then you are making common cause with the terrorists who hate our freedom (and they really do!).

I'm glad this got reopened, but in the future, can we please censure the offending parties rather than lock the whole thread? We had actionable personal attacks, actionable bigotry, etc, no reason those people couldn't have been warned personally.

I'd have to agree with this. Also locking a whole thread just causes more threads to have to be made to continue the discussion which adds to repeat topics.