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07 Sep 2019, 8:24 pm

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In U.S., 87% Approve of Black-White Marriage, vs. 4% in 1958 according to a 2013 gallop poll.

You cherry pick certain instances and fringe elements to portray them as a majority. You and Kraichgauer and many others do so all the time.

That looks like an agenda to me.

But not one started by those who unwittingly carry it out.

Racism is never going away as long as there are those who harp on it constantly and thereby inflate it as much as possible.

(I'm waiting for you to tell me inflate only means filling something like a balloon or tire with air).


Not sure why you are dragging Kraichie into this as he has no agenda? I at least am in a interracial marriage so at least you can accuse me of bias.

If you read the earlier post there is some doubt over honesty when answering a subjective questionnaire over race due to the fear white participants have over their beliefs becoming public (even on anonymous surveys). The Harvard Implicit Association test (IAT) is more accurate/objective and suggest most white people have an aversion to black faces when appearing on a computer screen.

People (particularly younger people) are becoming better at hiding covert beliefs.



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07 Sep 2019, 8:27 pm

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You have said too many times that Americans do not work below minimum wage jobs and only illegals will work them to go back on it now. And we all know you want socialism. So why not cut out the superfluousness and just say you want a socialist government where no one makes too much or too little. And you want everyone to marry interracially so there will be a non-white conglomeration being controlled by the government. Just write out a manifesto or whatever instead of beating around the bush and being coy.


Non-white conglomeration through interracial marriage???


You have not heard that one?


Yes, but only from racists.


I have heard of the idea of a unified race being established through mass interracial marriage a few times. And not by racists. At least not by white supremacist racists. There are many who want to see the white race eliminated or absorbed. That should not come as a surprise.


It only makes sense that Americans will eventually become so mixed that color might not matter anymore. But that will happen naturally, and without government intervention.


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07 Sep 2019, 8:28 pm

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In U.S., 87% Approve of Black-White Marriage, vs. 4% in 1958 according to a 2013 gallop poll.

You cherry pick certain instances and fringe elements to portray them as a majority. You and Kraichgauer and many others do so all the time.

That looks like an agenda to me.

But not one started by those who unwittingly carry it out.

Racism is never going away as long as there are those who harp on it constantly and thereby inflate it as much as possible.

(I'm waiting for you to tell me inflate only means filling something like a balloon or tire with air).


Not sure why you are dragging Kraichie into this as he has no agenda? I at least am in a interracial marriage so at least you can accuse me of bias.

If you read the earlier post there is some doubt over honesty when answering a subjective questionnaire over race due to the fear white participants have over their beliefs becoming public (even on anonymous surveys). The Harvard Implicit Association test (IAT) is more accurate/objective and suggest most white people have an aversion to black faces when appearing on a computer screen.

People (particularly younger people) are becoming better at hiding covert beliefs.


I'm a bit perplexed as to why I've been dragged into this argument, as well. :?


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07 Sep 2019, 8:53 pm

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You have said too many times that Americans do not work below minimum wage jobs and only illegals will work them to go back on it now. And we all know you want socialism. So why not cut out the superfluousness and just say you want a socialist government where no one makes too much or too little. And you want everyone to marry interracially so there will be a non-white conglomeration being controlled by the government. Just write out a manifesto or whatever instead of beating around the bush and being coy.


Non-white conglomeration through interracial marriage???


You have not heard that one?


Yes, but only from racists.


I have heard of the idea of a unified race being established through mass interracial marriage a few times. And not by racists. At least not by white supremacist racists. There are many who want to see the white race eliminated or absorbed. That should not come as a surprise.


I'm skeptical of the idea that it would create a homogeneous appearance. People are still going to have different levels of mixture, and you're still going to have traits (albeit recessive) floating around like blonde hair and blue eyes, which will randomly pop up in children.

I suggest looking at the experience of Central Asia. :D


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07 Sep 2019, 8:59 pm

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I'm a bit perplexed as to why I've been dragged into this argument, as well. :?

Ezra explained earlier.

A large % of your posts have a racism angle.


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07 Sep 2019, 9:10 pm

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Like I have seen others point out with similar things being said, take what you have just written and replace the word white with black, Hispanic, Muslim etc. and it would be considered highly racist.

Except you know very well Ezra that making statements against the dominant majority (whites) can be construed as offensive (I am not arguing people have no right to be offended) but it isn't racist.

You can offend, threaten or intimidate individuals but you can't be racist toward a privileged community who are in charge. That's a fact you seem to ignore.


More like I do not see it the same way and therefore tend not to go along with it.

So if I say derogatory things based on race about people in a country where that race is the dominant one, then then I will not be saying anything racist.



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07 Sep 2019, 9:24 pm

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I'm a bit perplexed as to why I've been dragged into this argument, as well. :?

Ezra explained earlier.

A large % of your posts have a racism angle.


But I haven't suggested that people be made to intermix racially in order to cure racism. Rather, people should get passed tribalism and accept we are all human beings of equal worth.


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07 Sep 2019, 9:28 pm

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So if I say derogatory things based on race about people in a country where that race is the dominant one, then then I will not be saying anything racist.


Back to the schoolbooks for you Ezra
http://www.aclrc.com/myth-of-reverse-racism

So European hegemony is a global phenomenon although it might be possible for minority groups living in India or China to accuse the majority population of racism (Uighers in China or tribals in India) but it doesn't give a free pass to a white boy in Arizona to say derogatory things about Chinese in China or Indians in India.



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07 Sep 2019, 10:26 pm

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If you read the earlier post there is some doubt over honesty when answering a subjective questionnaire over race due to the fear white participants have over their beliefs becoming public (even on anonymous surveys). The Harvard Implicit Association test (IAT) is more accurate/objective and suggest most white people have an aversion to black faces when appearing on a computer screen.

People (particularly younger people) are becoming better at hiding covert beliefs.


No dude, it's that we for the most part just don't give a s**t. We are people of the 21st century. We don't give a s**t about your 1960's BS you are still living in.

Oh no, racism can't possibly be going by the wayside with the future generation, it er just must be covert now. Yeah that's it. Most of racism will go away when your generation finally dies off.



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07 Sep 2019, 11:19 pm

I don't agree with the premise of this article.

Likely, doctors can video conference with patients anywhere in the world.
Likely, medicine can be sent anywhere in the world.
Likely, lab tests can be taken locally, and mailed to a lab anywhere in the world.

They even have robots for surgeons to perform remote surgery.

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07 Sep 2019, 11:21 pm

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So, why isn't the right helping anyone to feed themselves? I see the right saying it's just tough love getting people to take care of themselves, but then do very little or nothing to accomplish that.

Conservatives believe in "teaching people to fish", not providing them with fish.


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07 Sep 2019, 11:34 pm

On the issue of "racism", likely, people will be able to be who they want to be.

The best traits will "win", because of technology, surgery, DNA editing …

Even NOW, you can find people who change their eye color, skin color, and facial features.


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08 Sep 2019, 12:36 am

cyberdad wrote:
EzraS wrote:
So if I say derogatory things based on race about people in a country where that race is the dominant one, then then I will not be saying anything racist.


Back to the schoolbooks for you Ezra
http://www.aclrc.com/myth-of-reverse-racism


That is not a schoolbook. It is a website. There is a difference.

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So European hegemony is a global phenomenon although it might be possible for minority groups living in India or China to accuse the majority population of racism (Uighers in China or tribals in India) but it doesn't give a free pass to a white boy in Arizona to say derogatory things about Chinese in China or Indians in India.


According to that website? Is that how it works, the internet dictates the rules? For many I am sure that is the case.



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08 Sep 2019, 12:42 am

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No dude, it's that we for the most part just don't give a s**t. We are people of the 21st century. We don't give a s**t about your 1960's BS you are still living in.


Which is easy to say when you don't have to care about people who are historically the oppressed and marginalised.
https://www.apa.org/monitor/2019/02/legacy-trauma

The psychological impact of intergenerational trauma from 400 yrs of slavery and subsequent systematic discrimination is only just being understood and in some ways is the domain of psychology as (like tobacco companies hiding the impact of smoking) the US government is avoiding to pay reparations or acknowledge the evidence based legacy of prejudice and discrimination.

Sometimes it pays for a country not to be too clever so they can tell the masses to focus on the future and forget about the past, Easily said, not easily done though....



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08 Sep 2019, 12:48 am

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EzraS wrote:
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EzraS wrote:
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You have said too many times that Americans do not work below minimum wage jobs and only illegals will work them to go back on it now. And we all know you want socialism. So why not cut out the superfluousness and just say you want a socialist government where no one makes too much or too little. And you want everyone to marry interracially so there will be a non-white conglomeration being controlled by the government. Just write out a manifesto or whatever instead of beating around the bush and being coy.


Non-white conglomeration through interracial marriage???


You have not heard that one?


Yes, but only from racists.


I have heard of the idea of a unified race being established through mass interracial marriage a few times. And not by racists. At least not by white supremacist racists. There are many who want to see the white race eliminated or absorbed. That should not come as a surprise.


I'm skeptical of the idea that it would create a homogeneous appearance. People are still going to have different levels of mixture, and you're still going to have traits (albeit recessive) floating around like blonde hair and blue eyes, which will randomly pop up in children.

I suggest looking at the experience of Central Asia. :D


My guess it is not a homogeneous appearance that is being sought, but rather the elimination of anyone being pure white, black, brown et al. But really obviously mainly eliminating the pure white blond aryan whatever race I read cyberdad and others going on and on and on about. Even though that is supposed to be a myth. Despite those saying it is a myth say so much that contradicts the idea of it being a myth. Hopefully by the time I am 50 and they have all shed their mortal coil, all that will have gone with them.



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08 Sep 2019, 1:15 am

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But really obviously mainly eliminating the pure white blond aryan whatever race I read cyberdad and others going on and on and on about. Even though that is supposed to be a myth.


I'm happy for Scandanavia, Russia and Alaska to remain a blonde "Wunderland" if they want.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sjl5_vDfiuM

The climate isn't that attractive to darkies