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07 Jan 2021, 9:04 am

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I do hope this is a one-way ticket for Trump to be disqualified from being President for eternity, at least.

Or any Republican, for that matter.

We’re still paying the price for Nixon.

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07 Jan 2021, 9:14 am

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Btw this is why I disagree with the BLM 'abolish the police' stuff.

Police should've been involved in stopping all this.

Not shooting anyone but:
1 Stop people going in
2 Arrest them for trying!

Is the goal to have police completely done away with or simply cut the funding for police? I don't know how well it would work to completely abolish police but I could explain a completely workable idea talking on the note of cutting their budgets.

Depends how far left you get.

I think those of us who want change in the police but to keep the police around should be saying things like 'reform the police' or 'demilitarise the police' (ironically this was a situation where a militant police might actually make sense) or 'disarm the police' (again same ironically... I don't like police shooting anyone though).

There's definitely some far left extremists on twitter (I assume they're youngsters with no idea of the real world) who will attack you for saying things like 'when I was molested as a kid, I'm glad the guy that did it got arrested' or presumably for saying 'I went to the police over the death of my loved one and they helped me catch the killer so I like that'.

The real question is: "Who guards the guards?" Because nobody should be able to be violent, police included.#

(Bear in mind I'm white and British so my opinions will be shaped by that).

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07 Jan 2021, 9:19 am

the free market could force the police to reform themselves with the governmental shove of forcing all police to pay for their own liability or malpractice insurance. the internal affairs apparatus would decide on each case of police brutality, whether or not the policeman's insurance would take the hit, they'd prolly settle on something like 3 strikes and you're out. policemen who made it to their pin-pulling party in one piece and without black mark, would get to recover their expenses in this regard, another incentive for them to behave themselves. :idea:

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07 Jan 2021, 9:20 am

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Seconded.

All those in favor, say 'Aye'.

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07 Jan 2021, 9:24 am

KT67 wrote:

Bravo5150 wrote:

KT67 wrote:

Btw this is why I disagree with the BLM 'abolish the police' stuff.

Police should've been involved in stopping all this.

Not shooting anyone but:
1 Stop people going in
2 Arrest them for trying!

My thinking on the idea of budget cuts would be to put them in a situation similar to what firefighters have dealt with for years in terms of how firefighters have to rely on donations collected throu organizations like Firehouse subs and other fund raisers to supplement tax dollars received so that they can afford a new tanker truck with a Lamborghini pricetag on a Corvette budget. If the cops faced a similar challenge of relying on donations, they might be less pushy to members of the public so that the public feels more appreciated by law enforcement and more likely to contribute to make up the deficit voluntarily similar to how it has always been for supporting firefighters.

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07 Jan 2021, 9:25 am

^^^that's another good idea :idea:

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07 Jan 2021, 9:32 am

I'm not exactly pleased that some of these people were killed by police. I can't say I'm surprised either at how appalled they are at police violence being directed at them for a change--even when they are forming a literal mob to break into congress to do god knows what to elected legislators.

Having trouble getting Republicans to accept this police violence as justified? Just hit them with their own platitudes:
"The police feared for their lives."

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breaking into the whitehouse. I bet if this was antifa the death toll would have been massive, Police have exercised tremendous restraint.

Don't insult zombies like that. They show more brain activity and lucidity than these people.

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07 Jan 2021, 9:46 am

You know if it was black protesters storming the capitol everyone on the right would go into *complete* panic mode. Militias mobilizing, right-wing mobs forming, BLM supporters being assaulted (more than they already are by these extremists). Police would have unloaded clip after clip of ammo into the mob. The death count would have been in the dozens. Not 4. 3 of whom died from medical emergencies and not from police violence.

Police exercised the irresponsible restraint they did because the mob was white and on the Right.

These so-called patriots forced their way into the capitol and waved the flags of nations which killed thousands of American soldiers in the name of genocide and apartheid.
This is what the party of Lincoln has become. We went from defending against confederates with blood and steel to egging them on.

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07 Jan 2021, 9:50 am

i would not be surprised by further attacks on statehouses and city halls across the nation. the TRE45ON is metastasizing.

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07 Jan 2021, 10:04 am

I’m late to the party, but I’ll just say about all this, this is exactly why I get upset when people treat Trump and his followers like comedians. It was blatantly obvious even to someone as out of the loop as me that something just like this was going to happen, I really don’t have a clue why nobody was prepared.

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07 Jan 2021, 10:34 am

He psyched a bunch of sheep into doing what he couldn’t do, throw a violent, giant tantrum.They were his proxy.

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07 Jan 2021, 10:59 am

his effects will be felt long after he is gone. he took the ship of state and ran it aground, and i will never run right again. he rode us hard and put us away wet.

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07 Jan 2021, 11:18 am

auntblabby wrote:

his effects will be felt long after he is gone. he took the ship of state and ran it aground, and i will never run right again. he rode us hard and put us away wet.

I respectfully disagree, but only in part.

This country may never run the same way any more, but that may turn out to be a good thing. Current generations have learned what a narcissistic tyrant acts like (just as the pre-boomer generations learned), and most of us now living will be reluctant to accept a similar tyrant as leader in the foreseeable future.

Things have changed, and maybe for the better.

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07 Jan 2021, 11:30 am

Holocaust-denying neo-Nazis among the Trump supporters who stormed US Capitol

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Avowed white supremacists and Holocaust deniers were among the Trump supporters who violently occupied the US Capitol Wednesday, with experts on far-right extremism calling the storming a jarring but natural product of years of violence and hateful rhetoric stoked by disinformation and conspiracy theories.

Members of far-right groups, including the violent Proud Boys, joined the crowds that formed in Washington to cheer on US President Donald Trump as he urged them to protest Congress’ counting of Electoral College votes confirming President-elect Joe Biden’s win. Then they headed to the Capitol. Members of smaller white supremacist and neo-Nazi groups also were spotted in the crowds. Police were photographed stopping a man identified as a leading promoter of the QAnon conspiracy theory from storming the Senate floor.

Tim “Baked Alaska” Gionet, a neo-Nazi known for promoting anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, posted video that showed Trump supporters in “Make America Great Again” and “God Bless Trump” hats milling around and taking selfies with officers who calmly asked them to leave the premises. The Trump supporters talked among themselves, laughed, and told the officers and each other: “This is only the beginning.”

The crowd of Trump supporters at the Capitol also included adherents of the “Groyper Army,” a loose network of white supremacists that includes “America First” podcaster Nick Fuentes.

Fuentes is a white supremacist ideologue who has questioned the number of Jews murdered in the Holocaust and believes that Israel has a malicious influence on US polic

More than 1 million mentions of “civil war” and “storm the capitol” had appeared in Twitter posts by Wednesday night, according to an analysis by media intelligence firm Zignal Labs.

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07 Jan 2021, 11:36 am

Well, the "Camp Auschwitz" T-shirt with an SS-Totenkopfverbände logo might just have given this guy away...

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07 Jan 2021, 11:37 am

auntblabby wrote:

i would not be surprised by further attacks on statehouses and city halls across the nation. the TRE45ON is metastasizing.

There were pro-Trump demonstrations in front of multiple statehouses yesterday. Thankfully, none of them resulted in those buildings being stormed like in DC.
Many evacuated those statehouses for fear of their lives. I am damn relieved we didn't see a repeat of this elsewhere.

But now this is going to go through people's minds when they see the Trumpsters and right-wingers showing up to 'peacefully' protest. Are we going to start needing dozens of guards protecting elected officials just so they can do their jobs without fear of being lynched?

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