Trudeau flees as first 1,000 Trucks Arrive in Ottawa

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Pointing out a reality you don't want to acknowledge isn't lying no matter how much you'd like it to be.

Drop the status card BS, you're not the only one. The rest of us are getting sick of this crap.

I'd love you to convince my native buddies that the confederate flag is racist, good luck with that.

People are bloody tired of talk that has nothing to do with the actual situation.

Native communities are some of the hardest hit by covid restrictions, some of the most likely being unable to visit their home and family because of travel concerns etc.

You can try to slander generic right wing movements as being racist all you want. Maybe some white people will believe you but the rest won't.

Natives relying on the tar sands for work are tired of people trying to block pipelines, natives are tired about people flapping their gums about racism while northern water systems are trash etc.

Natives are tired of people trying to handwave crime when reserves are riddled with criminal acts that go unpunished.

This is childish crap, no one cares.

Anti lockdown protests are not some racial agenda, FYI it's a very very well known thing that Canadian intelligence services attend protests and attempt to get them shutdown by displaying extreme behaviors. Something that left wingers use to be wise about.

It's not some conspiracy or state secret it's something our police/intelligence agencies have always done.

So it's entirely possible that confederate flag was a government plant. If it wasn't you're gonna have to give some reasoning why they wouldn't or haven't.

Regardless it doesn't matter.

I'm pro lockdowns as can be, I think the protests are operating on ignorance, a very popular form of ignorance, but your crap is just crap, no one is believing you.

The left crying wolf for absolutely no reason whatsoever is exactly why lockdowns are so hard to implement.

People get desensitized to BS so when the real deal comes in, people stupidly assume it's simple irrational behavior.

Anyone assuming there's any kind of distinction between working class whites and working class non whites have never been to Canada. Working class environments are quite literally the least segregated.

FYI there's zero separation between whites and natives in Canada. It's partly why racial s**t rarely makes a lot of sense, as people are so continually mixed race it's very hard for more than 4 or 5 people at a time to be racist.

FYI the founder of the Proud Boys is a Canadian with native children.

There's no reason to conclude people can't be racist, but it's insane to think it permates when so many members of the working class are of mixed heritages.

You can't tell someone has a native mother by looking at them.



That's because people thinking of s**t like "proletariat" are usually at the maximum level of seperation from people who are actually working class.

Right wing rich kids are at hockey arenas screaming along side their working class brethern, meanwhile rich liberals dislike hockey for being too macho.





And this is exactly why these intellectuals are so incredibly insulting.

People aren't cool with being regarded as victims of society. It basically insinuates they are losers.

Not being a loser is something working class people fight to avoid, it's a core feature of being working class.

The problem with people hating on working class culture is that they wish to stomp out those who actually get ahead as members of the working class.

You want to piss off a rich liberal, point to their uneducated neighbor with a 4 door pickup and a hot wife.

Arguing that you have a wildly exaggerated view of the beliefs and threat level of right wing groups is a straightforward debate that you're trying to race card your way out of having, not seeming to realize that you're quoting scripture at an atheist here, that that doesn't work on me. Further, your argument works better in reverse, as generally a person who is not personally and emotionally involved in an issue is considered more credible as an observer, as they bring fewer biases to the table. You see white supremacy everywhere, I don't, but rather than trying to make your argument you try to disqualify me from having an opinion, which doesn't speak well of your confidence in defending yours.

I am aware that the US Democratic party as a whole completely lost sight of what the real life issues working class people face often are. But I still believe Democratic platforms come closer to addressing them than Republican ones. Still, a large part of politics is not in platform, but in empathy and recognition, and Democrats have failed there. Plus, platform could be better, as well.

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Setting aside, just for this debate in this moment, all the fine distinctions, valid exceptions and freedom issues, I would say "no," not when it is for the greater good.

With viruses, we're usually all in the science lab together, so each individual choice has the potential to affect the outcome for the entire group. Normally, the solution only works properly if every individual who can chooses the remedy. COVID has been challenging our assumptions on the science, but we also never got enough participation for the original hope to have any chance of becoming reality. We don't know what would have worked if compliance had been higher, and that is frustrating to all of us who tried to do our part.

You're missing a big part of the point, that having the better platform doesn't matter if you're going to sneer at someone's culture, say by smearing them all as ignorant bigots. Democrats could have the greatest platform possible, but they're still going to lose the working class to guys like Donald Trump if they can't collectively get over themselves and stop giving off the impression that they know what's best for everyone and everything would be great if the rubes would just give up their superstitions and recognize their betters.

You seek to dismiss my perspective as merely being 'the race card' which doesn't sound like you're actually capable of addressing it. Framing your lack of investment in the matter as something that grants you insight is just self-congratulatory masturbation.

I'm not disqualifying you from having a perspective, I'm saying your perspective is irrelevant to my considerations in how I view people who march under WS and WN symbols. No amount of condescending attempts at dismissing my opinion are going to stick. If the truckers want sympathy they can't openly align themselves with that s**t.

So, when they do this with symbols of the Holocaust we all rightfully recognize it as offensive and yet here they are hijacking another tragedy to use it to further their agenda.

This entire post is.. awful.

And the confederate flag IS a racist symbol. How can you not be aware of that? It's literally the flag of the losers who fought to keep black people enslaved in the USA. That's what their whole war was over - and they lost. Fast forward 150 years or so and people fly that loser's flag as a symbol of white supremacy & racist views against non-whites.

I guess it depends on who "they" is.
I don't know who designed or drove that truck.

Here's an interesting article from APTN.

https://www.aptnnews.ca/national-news/w ... y-protest/

Oh, "The Greater Good" - the excuse which can be used to cover any number of things that people don't want questioned (Doubtless, for example, the Chinese government sees their treatment of the Uyghur people as being, similarly, for "the Greater Good", as did those who supported segregation).

Setting aside this "ends justify the means" ("Greater Good") "defence", as I indicated with the "in any other situation" conclusion to my question - Would it be "selfish" where the mythical "greater good" cover was not applicable?

Nor do I, but it's the sort of thing where the background might not be relevant. I'm pretty sure being Jewish isn't an adequate defence if Jewish anti-vaxxers try to make the same comparisons some of the others have, so I would suggest the same standard probably should apply even if who can voice that criticism without appearing tonedeaf might be more limited.

It's amazing the number of people and vehicles in that video which have no racist markings\flags\etc...

It's as though there are people who detest the working class people who are behind the event and seeking any opportunity to assign collective guilt to them for the actions of one or two people as a way to try and camoflage that detestation...

Maybe try assigning "guilt" to the specific individuals behind the actions\etc. you are complaining about, rather than collectively assigning it to those who likely have no idea about those people (either their presence or their words\actions\etc.)... It'll do wonders for your credibility when discussing the protest.

Edit: After all, no-one is blaming the rest of the protest for this:

Source: https://www.ottawapolice.ca/Modules/News/index.aspx?keyword=&date=02/01/2022&newsId=bbbbb85e-4056-4321-954c-5cf034dc3f07

I'm starting to feel black bloc tactics are an appropriate response.