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EzraS
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21 Mar 2020, 9:03 pm

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I thought you admired my faith? The Key word is listen. :wink:


I was being sarcastic. The key word is look. Look at the figures and see what they add up to. I find that more prudent than unquestioning acceptance of what I am being told.

I find it ironic that I am being told to have faith in world leaders and experts, by the same people who have been saying how world leaders and experts failed in dealing with covid-19 properly.



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21 Mar 2020, 9:09 pm

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That's a good one. Thanks! I just checked NIH, it's a real paper.


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21 Mar 2020, 9:16 pm

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If you check the WHO site people wearing masks need to follow strict protocols
https://www.who.int/emergencies/disease ... -use-masks

In addition it's If you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care of a person with suspected 2019-nCoV infection. or wear a mask if you are coughing or sneezing.

And I have said so many times that you cannot trust WHO. China controls WHO. Why don't you look at all the instructions for their own people? They recommend masks for their own people. Isn't it a bit contradictory? I hang around Chinese families in the US. I have seen the booklet of instructions. It's not even hard to find Chinese education videos on YouTube. China recommends wearing masks, for their own people.

Be an independent thinker, please.

This is how the Chinese teach their children on how to protect themselves. Look at it starting from 4:10. Let me ask you, China controls WHO. Why would they tell their own countrymen one thing, and tell other countries another thing?


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21 Mar 2020, 9:17 pm

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It's like some people want covid-19 to be worse than that. They seem get pissed off if you suggest it may not be that bad. Like you're spoiling it for them. "You are ruining this crisis!".


Some people seem to be more emotional than rational.
From an object and logical point of view, I find it interesting.



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21 Mar 2020, 9:17 pm

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cyberdad wrote:
If you check the WHO site people wearing masks need to follow strict protocols
https://www.who.int/emergencies/disease ... -use-masks

In addition it's If you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care of a person with suspected 2019-nCoV infection. or wear a mask if you are coughing or sneezing.

And I have said so many times that you cannot trust WHO. China controls WHO. Why don't you look at all the instructions for their own people? They recommend masks for their own people. Isn't it a bit contradictory? I hang around Chinese families in the US. I have seen the booklet of instructions. It's not even hard to find on YouTube.


Booklet of instructions?


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21 Mar 2020, 9:17 pm

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In the end, Florida will have more deaths than New York.


I’ve seen videos of the spring breakers being nonchalant with this. It wouldn’t surprise me.


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21 Mar 2020, 9:20 pm

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We know where it stopped with drastic measures (China) and we have no idea where it will stop without drastic measures.
Let's find out :twisted: Experiment is the foundation of science.


"You go girl."
<increase social distancing due to scary face> 8O

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I hope China's drastic measures include no more wild animal meal wet markets.

Also I think China is putting on a show.

And China has the kind of government that wants its people suppressed and oppressed.


I have heard that there is a practice of burning animals alive, "because it then tasts better".
If true, I hope this stops also.

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Note to all... A lady my friend knows who is Assistant Director of Nursing at Queen Elizabeth Hospital has said they’ve had a message today that virus seems to be spreading quickly via petrol pumps so they advise to wear gloves when filling up or use paper towel and bin straight away. Can you please pass this around anyone you know. Could make huge difference xxx


I have been wearing gloves for weeks now when I go out.
Who's laughing now, you NT muthas. :mrgreen:



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21 Mar 2020, 9:36 pm

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I am old fashion and I generally use paper currency more than the younger generations that relies on plastic. Many of us old timers (the most vulnerable group) still do.



I've gone plastic for some time, but I deliberately got cash to unforeseen circumstances.
Don't ask me what these "unforeseen circumstances" are.
They are unforeseen, duh. :mrgreen:



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21 Mar 2020, 9:39 pm

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Darmok wrote:
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That's a good one. Thanks! I just checked NIH, it's a real paper.


The highlighted part (in yellow) is what's relevant. Will the Chinese government now ban the consumption of exotic animals?



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21 Mar 2020, 9:41 pm

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cyberdad wrote:
If you check the WHO site people wearing masks need to follow strict protocols
https://www.who.int/emergencies/disease ... -use-masks

In addition it's If you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care of a person with suspected 2019-nCoV infection. or wear a mask if you are coughing or sneezing.

And I have said so many times that you cannot trust WHO. China controls WHO. Why don't you look at all the instructions for their own people? They recommend masks for their own people. Isn't it a bit contradictory? I hang around Chinese families in the US. I have seen the booklet of instructions. It's not even hard to find Chinese education videos on YouTube. China recommends wearing masks, for their own people.

Be an independent thinker, please.

This is how the Chinese teach their children on how to protect themselves. Look at it starting from 4:10. Let me ask you, China controls WHO. Why would they tell their own countrymen one thing, and tell other countries another thing?



I have tried to source N95 masks without success....there is a shortage and I am skeptical about the value of putting a paper towel over my mouth.



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21 Mar 2020, 9:44 pm

What a complete nut job.
https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2020/3/1 ... =emaildksp
If only this virus was selective and only took out morons.


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21 Mar 2020, 9:46 pm

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It is a funny thing about panic. It is like a herd of buffalo. One buffalo senses danger and signals it to the herd. The whole herd can be grazing and all of a sudden one buffalo "on watch" smells, hears, or sees something. That buffalo "sets a point" with a tail signal and the whole herd comes to immediate attentions, starts slowly to form a tight formation and sounds the alarm.

Then the herd may panic and stampede. So when a panic sets in, there is not much to be done except go along with the herd...
... right over a cliff, which is how some Native American tribes on horseback would kill as many buffalo as possible at once, thus ensuring enough food and hides for the entire tribe, all at once.

Lucky for us, humanity acts nothing like a herd of stupid animals that can be provoked into a mindless panic...


This is not an attack on Fnord, he has his own point of view. But rather
"humanity acts like a herd of stupid animals that can be provoked into a mindless panic..."


I haven't been following this conversation, so forgive me if I have taken it the wrong way.

Surely Fnord was being ironic?

Too many posts to do due diligence, sorry. :wink:



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21 Mar 2020, 9:48 pm

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Right now I think they are going completely batshit with the idea of an endless lockdown over something that is not all that serious.


My view is in favour of lockdowns in "hotspots".



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21 Mar 2020, 9:50 pm

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What a complete nut job.
https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2020/3/1 ... =emaildksp
If only this virus was selective and only took out morons.


Not surprising....the far right have never been interested in the public good



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21 Mar 2020, 9:57 pm

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(1) I have written that I think the current "lockdown" situation is acceptable "better safe than sorry". But only up to a point ie not for months on end unless it really does become absolutely necessary.

(2) I said that based on charts that I have seen and info I have read from the CDC, that virus epidemics hit a peak within flu season and then start tapering off fairly rapidly.

(3) I said hospitals and clinics are getting a lot of people coming who have cold and mild flu symptoms to get tested for covid-19 ie at least 150,613 have been tested in the United States according to what I read. In other words a lot more people than usual are coming in because of testing.

(4) I said that I am worried about working class people losing jobs over businesses having to shut down. Not for a 2 week shutdown, but rather one lasting months on end as some (experts?) are suggesting should be done.

I do not see why anyone would have a problem with those opinions.


Well, I don't, and I am a god darn genius. :mrgreen:



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21 Mar 2020, 9:57 pm

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kraftiekortie wrote:
According to Worldmeter:

There were “only” 477 new cases yesterday, and 21 new deaths in the entire United States.

It now says 5,403 new cases, and 34 new deaths.

As I've said many times, with this virus, you have to learn to be patient. Also, reporting is not done per day. The numbers can get updated several times per day.

It now says +7,301 new cases and +84 new deaths. We in USA are today the champion in the world in the number of new cases.


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