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19 Oct 2019, 5:10 pm

I would think liberals would happy about TRUMP's actions.

From a progressive site ...

For Once, Trump Isn’t Wrong
US intervention in Syria has been a disaster. Withdrawing troops from the region is the right thing to do.
https://www.thenation.com/article/trump ... aw-troops/

"Fierce Trump critic Representative Ted Lieu (D-CA) applauded Trump’s decision, writing that “Neither the Obama Administration nor the Trump Administration had a strategy"

Another California Democrat, Ro Khanna, also set aside petty partisanship and expressed his approval, noting (correctly), that “Congress never authorized the intervention.”

Leftist grassroots organizations like Code Pink and Just Foreign Policy likewise backed Trump’s decision.


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19 Oct 2019, 5:23 pm

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EzraS wrote:
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Nancy Pelosi kicking butt and taking names. She's made this photo part of the background on her Twitter page:

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From what I've read she lost her cool and then stormed out of the meeting. Imagine of the roles were reversed. Then it would be all about how Trump had a meltdown, bullied Pelosi and then stormed out of the meeting, more concerned about his feelings than about the welfare of the Kurds.


Learned from where? Trump? As if that's a legitimate source. No, there was one hysterical woman in that room, and it was Trump.


You should already know what sources I refer to; Reuters, AP, NPR, KIRO. I'm assuming you got CNN's highly partisan spin.


Seriously? I have my doubts about legitimate news sources (see, I called your sources legitimate) would state such things. The claims that it was Pelosi who flew into hysterics was purely claimed by Trump and his Republican yes men.


I didn't say anything about hysterics. I said from what I gathered she lost her cool and stormed out. I confess that I didn't go into a deep detailed analysis of what happened. That just seemed to be the gist of it.



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19 Oct 2019, 5:24 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
I would think liberals would happy about TRUMP's actions.

From a progressive site ...

For Once, Trump Isn’t Wrong
US intervention in Syria has been a disaster. Withdrawing troops from the region is the right thing to do.
https://www.thenation.com/article/trump ... aw-troops/

"Fierce Trump critic Representative Ted Lieu (D-CA) applauded Trump’s decision, writing that “Neither the Obama Administration nor the Trump Administration had a strategy"

Another California Democrat, Ro Khanna, also set aside petty partisanship and expressed his approval, noting (correctly), that “Congress never authorized the intervention.”

Leftist grassroots organizations like Code Pink and Just Foreign Policy likewise backed Trump’s decision.


The majority of liberals are appalled by Trump's withdrawal from Syria, for very much the same reasons why conservatives are: we're deserting our friends and allies, the Kurds, to certain death.


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19 Oct 2019, 5:36 pm

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Trump has played a blinder whether he meant it or not. He's made the Kurds reconcile with the Syrian government :)


Yep it has ended up working out alright so far. This seems to happen on a reoccurring basis. Lots of hype and melodrama over whatever Trump did and then things fall into place and it turns out alright.



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19 Oct 2019, 5:45 pm

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
beneficii wrote:
Nancy Pelosi kicking butt and taking names. She's made this photo part of the background on her Twitter page:

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From what I've read she lost her cool and then stormed out of the meeting. Imagine of the roles were reversed. Then it would be all about how Trump had a meltdown, bullied Pelosi and then stormed out of the meeting, more concerned about his feelings than about the welfare of the Kurds.


Learned from where? Trump? As if that's a legitimate source. No, there was one hysterical woman in that room, and it was Trump.


You should already know what sources I refer to; Reuters, AP, NPR, KIRO. I'm assuming you got CNN's highly partisan spin.


Seriously? I have my doubts about legitimate news sources (see, I called your sources legitimate) would state such things. The claims that it was Pelosi who flew into hysterics was purely claimed by Trump and his Republican yes men.


I didn't say anything about hysterics. I said from what I gathered she lost her cool and stormed out. I confess that I didn't go into a deep detailed analysis of what happened. That just seemed to be the gist of it.


Reportedly, Pelosi made the observation that with Trump, "all roads lead to Putin."
To which Trump flew into hysterics, calling her, "a third grade politician." (Not third rate, but third grade.)
After that, the Dems got up and walked out.


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19 Oct 2019, 5:48 pm

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Reportedly, Pelosi made the observation that with Trump, "all roads lead to Putin."
To which Trump flew into hysterics, calling her, "a third grade politician." (Not third rate, but third grade.)
After that, the Dems got up and walked out.


Thanks for sharing CNN's assessment.

The crux of what happened in my opinion is that Pelosi basically walked out on the welfare of the Kurds.



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19 Oct 2019, 6:03 pm

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:

Reportedly, Pelosi made the observation that with Trump, "all roads lead to Putin."
To which Trump flew into hysterics, calling her, "a third grade politician." (Not third rate, but third grade.)
After that, the Dems got up and walked out.


Thanks for sharing CNN's assessment.

The crux of what happened in my opinion is that Pelosi basically walked out on the welfare of the Kurds.


No, Trump walked out on the Kurds, Pelosi walked out on Trump.
Considering that Pelosi is renowned for keeping her cool, whereas Trump is known for his hysterics, why is what you call the "CNN's assessment" so hard to believe?


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19 Oct 2019, 7:47 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
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Reportedly, Pelosi made the observation that with Trump, "all roads lead to Putin."
To which Trump flew into hysterics, calling her, "a third grade politician." (Not third rate, but third grade.)
After that, the Dems got up and walked out.


Thanks for sharing CNN's assessment.

The crux of what happened in my opinion is that Pelosi basically walked out on the welfare of the Kurds.


No, Trump walked out on the Kurds, Pelosi walked out on Trump.
Considering that Pelosi is renowned for keeping her cool, whereas Trump is known for his hysterics, why is what you call the "CNN's assessment" so hard to believe?


She walked out on a meeting about the welfare of the Kurds. In the picture she's standing up and wagging her finger, which doesn't look like someone keeping their cool. It's a foregone conclusion that CNN is going to give just as much of a biased spin as I would expect from Fox. It tells you what your itching ears want to hear.



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19 Oct 2019, 8:04 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
I would think liberals would happy about TRUMP's actions.

From a progressive site ...

For Once, Trump Isn’t Wrong
US intervention in Syria has been a disaster. Withdrawing troops from the region is the right thing to do.
https://www.thenation.com/article/trump ... aw-troops/

"Fierce Trump critic Representative Ted Lieu (D-CA) applauded Trump’s decision, writing that “Neither the Obama Administration nor the Trump Administration had a strategy"

Another California Democrat, Ro Khanna, also set aside petty partisanship and expressed his approval, noting (correctly), that “Congress never authorized the intervention.”

Leftist grassroots organizations like Code Pink and Just Foreign Policy likewise backed Trump’s decision.


The majority of liberals are appalled by Trump's withdrawal from Syria, for very much the same reasons why conservatives are: we're deserting our friends and allies, the Kurds, to certain death.

When George Bush suggested we needed to protect Kuwaiti people and later protect people from WMDs …

Liberals were on CNN most days marching against it.

What you're writing sounds just like George Bush when he explained that we need to support our Saudi allies.
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19 Oct 2019, 9:43 pm

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
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Reportedly, Pelosi made the observation that with Trump, "all roads lead to Putin."
To which Trump flew into hysterics, calling her, "a third grade politician." (Not third rate, but third grade.)
After that, the Dems got up and walked out.


Thanks for sharing CNN's assessment.

The crux of what happened in my opinion is that Pelosi basically walked out on the welfare of the Kurds.


No, Trump walked out on the Kurds, Pelosi walked out on Trump.
Considering that Pelosi is renowned for keeping her cool, whereas Trump is known for his hysterics, why is what you call the "CNN's assessment" so hard to believe?


She walked out on a meeting about the welfare of the Kurds. In the picture she's standing up and wagging her finger, which doesn't look like someone keeping their cool. It's a foregone conclusion that CNN is going to give just as much of a biased spin as I would expect from Fox. It tells you what your itching ears want to hear.


Uh, no. It was when she told Trump that with him, all roads lead back to Putin, that he had a major meltdown. And so what if it was on the subject of the Kurds; everything involving our departure from Syria involves pleasing Russia to one extent or another.
Wagging a finger does not a tantrum make.


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19 Oct 2019, 10:10 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:

Reportedly, Pelosi made the observation that with Trump, "all roads lead to Putin."
To which Trump flew into hysterics, calling her, "a third grade politician." (Not third rate, but third grade.)
After that, the Dems got up and walked out.


Thanks for sharing CNN's assessment.

The crux of what happened in my opinion is that Pelosi basically walked out on the welfare of the Kurds.


No, Trump walked out on the Kurds, Pelosi walked out on Trump.
Considering that Pelosi is renowned for keeping her cool, whereas Trump is known for his hysterics, why is what you call the "CNN's assessment" so hard to believe?


She walked out on a meeting about the welfare of the Kurds. In the picture she's standing up and wagging her finger, which doesn't look like someone keeping their cool. It's a foregone conclusion that CNN is going to give just as much of a biased spin as I would expect from Fox. It tells you what your itching ears want to hear.


Uh, no. It was when she told Trump that with him, all roads lead back to Putin, that he had a major meltdown. And so what if it was on the subject of the Kurds; everything involving our departure from Syria involves pleasing Russia to one extent or another.
Wagging a finger does not a tantrum make.


I'm not saying that anyone had a major meltdown or a tantrum. That's your hyperbole, or CNN's, not mine. And the idea that Trump shouldn't get annoyed over endless accusations of conspiring with Russia is absurd. She stood up and made a finger wagging accusation at Trump, Trump fired back, and Pelosi walked out in a huff.

Note: "huff" does not equal "major meltdown", "tantrum" or "hysterics".

What Nancy seems to ignore are the number of times that Trump has gone against Russia.



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20 Oct 2019, 3:33 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
I would think liberals would happy about TRUMP's actions.

From a progressive site ...

For Once, Trump Isn’t Wrong
US intervention in Syria has been a disaster. Withdrawing troops from the region is the right thing to do.
https://www.thenation.com/article/trump ... aw-troops/

"Fierce Trump critic Representative Ted Lieu (D-CA) applauded Trump’s decision, writing that “Neither the Obama Administration nor the Trump Administration had a strategy"

Another California Democrat, Ro Khanna, also set aside petty partisanship and expressed his approval, noting (correctly), that “Congress never authorized the intervention.”

Leftist grassroots organizations like Code Pink and Just Foreign Policy likewise backed Trump’s decision.


The problem is that it was poorly thought and done impulsively. We should have given our allies advanced warning without sending conflicting signals. We should have given them a specific date and time well ahead of time for went it was going to happen. But it looks like Trump instead allowed Erdogan to browbeat him into withdrawing immediately.

The way it was done was completely jacked up. It's like, yeah, we want to drive from point A to point B, but I'm going to have a problem with the driver if in the process they hit fire hydrants and signs along the way and run over the little grandmother with a walker crossing the street. The driver saying, hey at least we got from point A to point B isn't going to improve things much.


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20 Oct 2019, 6:35 am

I wonder if some folks are a bit bent out of shape that things worked out alright so far.



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20 Oct 2019, 12:13 pm

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I wonder if some folks are a bit bent out of shape that things worked out alright so far.


You shouldn't take a liar like Trump at face value. Just a rudimentary search of the news shows that things have not worked out alright.


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20 Oct 2019, 1:11 pm

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I wonder if some folks are a bit bent out of shape that things worked out alright so far.


Yep. That's the main thing to remember and why we can ignore the phony hysteria. No one cares about the Kurds, and they are not US 'friends and allies', no one has caused Kurds more death and damage. Pelosi especially doesn't care, she's worried about the arms industry and she's worried about the Democrat corruption being punished over Ukraine. No country in the world gave more to the Clinton foundation than Ukraine. Dems will just scream Russia about everything but we can ignore that too, pulling out of Syria helps America and Syria. The Syrian people and the Kurds :)


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20 Oct 2019, 6:28 pm

beneficii wrote:
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I wonder if some folks are a bit bent out of shape that things worked out alright so far.


You shouldn't take a liar like Trump at face value. Just a rudimentary search of the news shows that things have not worked out alright.


I don't take much of anything at face value. Was that a rudimentary search of quasi-news like TYT and Buzzfeed?