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21 Oct 2019, 3:55 am

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I don't know how you would tell. What does a Trump fanatic look like? Can you give me something I would recognize as fanatical, like Antifa. Because I can't tell...


Strange because Antifa haven't driven cars into groups young people or lynched black people on trees...


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21 Oct 2019, 4:02 am

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Persephone29 wrote:
I don't know how you would tell. What does a Trump fanatic look like? Can you give me something I would recognize as fanatical, like Antifa. Because I can't tell...


Strange because Antifa haven't driven cars into groups young people or lynched black people on trees...


More deflecting.


I assume this is a self-referencing comment? :lol:

To answer Sef's question I'd draw attention to 3%ers and all those ws/wn/wc groups who show up with homemade shields.

But also, it's always fair to point out which political blocs are associated with deadly violence on a regular basis.


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21 Oct 2019, 4:44 am

This may be true, but no ANTIFA anywhere.[/quote]

I wouldn't imagine Antifa being interested in a biker jamboree.[/quote]


Why not? It's the perfect captive audience. I'll tell you why, because they couldn't easily terrorize a bunch of bikers.


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21 Oct 2019, 4:46 am

cyberdad wrote:
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I don't know how you would tell. What does a Trump fanatic look like? Can you give me something I would recognize as fanatical, like Antifa. Because I can't tell...


Strange because Antifa haven't driven cars into groups young people or lynched black people on trees...


Okay, so a fanatic is a person who drives cars into a group of protesters. So that means we have the fanatic locked up for life, hopefully. No more examples? You need more than one for fanatic/s (plural).


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21 Oct 2019, 6:27 am

59% of white voters voted for Trump.
So if you're white, just look in a mirror and you'll see what a Trump voter looks like.


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21 Oct 2019, 7:46 am

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59% of white voters voted for Trump.
So if you're white, just look in a mirror and you'll see what a Trump voter looks like.



Does being white constitute fanaticism?


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21 Oct 2019, 7:55 am

41% didn’t vote for Trump.

If that figure rises at all, Trump is in trouble in 2020.



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21 Oct 2019, 11:42 am

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59% of white voters voted for Trump.
So if you're white, just look in a mirror and you'll see what a Trump voter looks like.



Does being white constitute fanaticism?

I don't understand your question.

My point is that, for white Americans, supporting Trump is the mainstream political position.

You need to understand this before you can participate in an educated debate of the topic.


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21 Oct 2019, 11:44 am

Trump advocacy is certainly not a "mainstream" position on the East and West Coasts.



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21 Oct 2019, 8:17 pm

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Trump advocacy is certainly not a "mainstream" position on the East and West Coasts.

However you want to put it, anyone who assumes that Trump can't win re-election because his supporters represent a lunatic fringe is sadly deluded.

We need to consider why most of the American posters here are pro-Trump. They aren't KKKers. They are struggling to get by and they don't think "mainstream" politicians care about them. And TBH they are more right than wrong. You won't persuade them to change their minds by insulting their intelligence.


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21 Oct 2019, 8:23 pm

But...what is Trump doing for them?

How am I "insulting anyone's intelligence"?



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21 Oct 2019, 8:35 pm

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Trump advocacy is certainly not a "mainstream" position on the East and West Coasts.

However you want to put it, anyone who assumes that Trump can't win re-election because his supporters represent a lunatic fringe is sadly deluded.

We need to consider why most of the American posters here are pro-Trump. They aren't KKKers. They are struggling to get by and they don't think "mainstream" politicians care about them. And TBH they are more right than wrong. You won't persuade them to change their minds by insulting their intelligence.


Really? That certainly can't be applied to me!


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21 Oct 2019, 8:59 pm

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But...what is Trump doing for them?

How am I "insulting anyone's intelligence"?

I apologize. Despite the fact that I quoted you, I didn't mean everything I said as a direct attack on the point of view you have been expressing. I guess I was mostly using "you" in the third-person indefinite sense.

However, I disagree that support for Trump is not a mainstream position on the East Coast. It may be a minority opinion. It is certainly a minority opinion in the county I live in, but to suggest that people here in Central Maryland who support Trump are outliers or oddballs is dead wrong, even though Maryland (as I believe I said before) is the bluest state in the nation. I really don't want to go into more detail than that.


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21 Oct 2019, 9:02 pm

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Really? That certainly can't be applied to me!

It's certainly possible to be poor and white without supporting Trump. In fact, as I see it, that is a highly rational stance.

However I suspect most people in Eastern Washington plan to vote for him next year. And are probably angry that votes cast on the other side of the Cascades will cancel their votes out due to demographics.


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21 Oct 2019, 9:42 pm

I didn’t say they were “oddballs.”

I just don’t believe support for Trump is an absolutely “mainstream” phenomenon—especially in the big cities along I-95 and I-5.



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21 Oct 2019, 10:24 pm

MaxE wrote:
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Really? That certainly can't be applied to me!

It's certainly possible to be poor and white without supporting Trump. In fact, as I see it, that is a highly rational stance.

However I suspect most people in Eastern Washington plan to vote for him next year. And are probably angry that votes cast on the other side of the Cascades will cancel their votes out due to demographics.


Thank Christ for my fellow liberals west of the Cascades!


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