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12 Feb 2020, 5:52 pm

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What will I do if me or my boyfriend comes down with cold or flu-like symptoms? Assume it's the coronovirus and rush to the emergency room to be tested?

I hate living like this. Will it be as bad as the black plague?


Joe90 - It will not be as bad as the black plague. Nowhere even close. Every year many people get infected with the common flu and they survive. Last year winter flu season resulted in approximately 35,520,883 individuals in the U.S. contracting the influenza according to the CDC. This particular coronavirus is just more deadlier.


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12 Feb 2020, 6:00 pm

I should have a yellow triangle warning sign om ny door with a silhouette of Bruce Lee on it , heh :lol:



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12 Feb 2020, 6:10 pm

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What will I do if me or my boyfriend comes down with cold or flu-like symptoms? Assume it's the coronovirus and rush to the emergency room to be tested?

I hate living like this. Will it be as bad as the black plague?


Joe90 - It will not be as bad as the black plague. Nowhere even close. Every year many people get infected with the common flu and they survive. Last year winter flu season resulted in approximately 35,520,883 individuals in the U.S. contracting the influenza according to the CDC. This particular coronavirus is just more deadlier.


"More deadlier". Sounds scary. I'm so scared. I'm more anxious about what I do if I feel a cold or flu coming on. Do I have to be tested for it to make the public aware that there could be another person with it in the UK, or do I stay at home and rest/isolate myself? I'm sure the virus spreads more from people being tested for it in order to broadcast another case to the public.
Will I die if I get this? Or will I have to be isolated in a hospital room for a month? My mum's a cancer patient, does that mean she will die if she gets this virus? My boyfriend is a heavy smoker and has a bad cough and breathlessness, does that mean he will die if he gets it? I'm not just worrying about myself, I'm worrying about my family. One can wash their hands and decontaminate door-handles, but that doesn't stop you from breathing it in or catching the virus while you're out.

And if that does kill anyone I love, I will want to blast China off the face of the Earth.


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12 Feb 2020, 6:13 pm

Joe90 wrote:
I hate living like this. Will it be as bad as the black plague?


I’m sorry I posted the rhyme above in response to you’re earlier post.
I misread it as humourous... and had been giggling to myself with the rhyme for a few days. :oops:
Impulse control. :oops:
Sorry :oops:


And yes, I think you’re right about the media coverage: it’s disproportionate to the threat level to us.
(I adopted that approach as a blanket rule after I spent several months thinking that the ‘08 banking crash was the fall of civilisation: they’re jumpy night-watchmen with a product to sell)



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12 Feb 2020, 7:58 pm

Unless you’ve come in contact with a person who has been in China recently , it’s extremely unlikely that your cold and flu would be caused by the Wuhan Coronavirus.



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12 Feb 2020, 8:32 pm

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There’s been a decline in cases in Wuhan.


Source?

Sorry to say, but I doubt that's true. The number of reported global cases is currently over 60,000, and the majority (48,206) are in Hubei. The CDC has also warned that the actual number of infected people is far higher than the reported number.

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps ... 7b48e9ecf6



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12 Feb 2020, 8:46 pm

I should have said the rate of NEW cases has gone down.

According to the Washington Post and New York Times.

They are also saying that the epidemic might be done with by April.



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12 Feb 2020, 8:54 pm

I would be scared of getting it but the odds of that happening are a zillion to 1. Outside of mainland China only 2 people have died from it. 1 in Hong Kong and 1 in the Philippines.

Many of those who have died from it probably had extenuating circumstances which made them more susceptible.

One has to remember that a billion people live in China. If 100,000 people there get it, that is still just a small fraction of the population.

Even if you are in China the odds of you getting it are slim.



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12 Feb 2020, 11:58 pm

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I should have said the rate of NEW cases has gone down.

Ha! You obviously have no experience dealing with numerical data provided by the Chinese government.

Coronavirus live updates: China’s Hubei reports 14,840 new cases, 242 additional deaths
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/13/coronavirus-latest-updates-china-hubei.html

From 45k confirmed cases, it jumped overnight to nearly 60k cases. It's pure magic.

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13 Feb 2020, 12:05 am

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... Outside of mainland China only 2 people have died from it. 1 in Hong Kong and 1 in the Philippines.

Good. Then we have nothing to worry, then.

However, our dear CDC under president Donald Trump has this message for you:

Top CDC official says US should prepare for coronavirus ‘to take a foothold’
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/12/cdc-prepares-for-coronavirus-to-take-a-foothold-in-the-us.html

- The CDC is preparing for the new coronavirus, which has killed at least 1,115 and sickened more than 45,000 worldwide, to “take a foothold in the U.S.”
- “At some point, we are likely to see community spread in the U.S. or in other countries,” said Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases.


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13 Feb 2020, 12:40 am

Just for fun, let's count the number of negative-pressure isolation-room beds in a few places:

Japan: 1,800
Western Europe: 1,789
Taiwan: 1,100
U.S.A.: 400

https://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXMZO55499000R10C20A2CZ8000/
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/26709792_Isolation_rooms_for_highly_infectious_diseases_an_inventory_of_capabilities_in_European_countries/link/59df3d09a6fdccfcfda320b2/download
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2020/02/13/2003730885
http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/events/2018_clade_x_exercise/pdfs/Clade-X-BCU-and-ETC-facts.pdf

US has 327 million people and 400 negative-pressure isolation-room beds, whereas Taiwan with its 24 million people (roughly 7% of the US population size) actually has 1,100 beds ... more than the US ... almost three times as many. As I have said, this is just for pure entertainment.


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13 Feb 2020, 12:45 am

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From 45k confirmed cases, it jumped overnight to nearly 60k cases. It's pure magic.


The last 24hrs Hubei province experienced a spike
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51482994

So are we seeing a jump or is that reporting is getting better?



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13 Feb 2020, 12:48 am

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So are we seeing a jump or is that reporting is getting better?

Bingo. The reporting is getting better. You can be sure that the reporting will get better and better, and that's the scary part: how many times will it get better before we get the real numbers?


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13 Feb 2020, 12:51 am

But if it's a pandemic shouldn't a similar spread be happening elsewhere in the world?



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13 Feb 2020, 1:00 am

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But if it's a pandemic shouldn't a similar spread be happening elsewhere in the world?

With this virus, you have to learn to be patient before making comments.

Indonesia has zero cases. Upon inquiry, they then admitted: testing is just too expensive, so they don't do it. Ha ha.

Incubation can take up to 20 days with this virus. Many people have extremely mild symptoms or no symptoms, at all. So, my advice to everyone is, as I have said 2 days ago, wait another week (meaning wait another 5 days from now), before you make any comments about pandemic or not pandemic. (According to the strict definition of pandemic, it already is. But of course, plan B has not been triggered, yet, outside China.)


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13 Feb 2020, 1:06 am

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But if it's a pandemic shouldn't a similar spread be happening elsewhere in the world?

With this virus, you have to learn to be patient before making comments.

Indonesia has zero cases. Upon inquiry, they then admitted: testing is just too expensive, so they don't do it. Ha ha.

Incubation can take up to 20 days with this virus. Many people have extremely mild symptoms or no symptoms, at all. So, my advice to everyone is, as I have said 2 days ago, wait another week (meaning wait another 5 days from now), before you make any comments about pandemic or not pandemic. (According to the strict definition of pandemic, it already is. But of course, plan B has not been triggered, yet, outside China.)


But they said wait 5-10 days back in the middle of January. It's now the middle of Feb. With international travel surely the numbers overseas should have skyrocketed like back in China??